Why you left Ableton?

[miloszz]

1. Live UI is bad

I disagree.

[*]Link explains why

Link does not refer to Ableton Live at all, unless they've branched into setting up sites for selling sunglasses.

[*]Specific Example[/list]
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There is already good UI/UX design like he described as "golden age" = Your post quoted above "Some 3D could be good".

You're ignoring the "I guess" - you realize that's dismissive right? "Oh, if you've got to have it, whatever."

The idea that, without a hint of drop-shadow you're going to get confused about what constitutes a button in a DAW is silly in 2020. Everyone between the ages of 2 and 60 is well-versed in the language of flat screens.

So Live's taste is bad expecially when there was good sign in Live 9's Glue Compressor.

What, exactly about this glue compressor plugin was wonderful? What's missing now? You're still not bothering to actually make an argument, aside from stating as absolute fact that the GUI is 'bad.'

[anomandaris1]

There is no such thing as "3d" graphics on a flat surface... (Anime/animation fans usually get very mad when you tell them to read something on projective geometry and stop whining about "3d" graphics.)
About GUIs - they are personal preference and noone has died from looking at Reaper or whatever, so who cares. Cubase usually looks the most polished DAW (unless Steinberg chooses some kind of bad colour scheme - good that users can change it).
At the moment, I just don't see what Live offers over Bitwig, honestly, for most EDM producers. Development of Live also feels super slow - I am not even sure if there are any significant changes between Live 8 and 10...

[tooneba]

1. Live UI is bad

I disagree.

[*]Link explains why

Link does not refer to Ableton Live at all, unless they've branched into setting up sites for selling sunglasses.

[*]Specific Example[/list]
All in this post
There is already good UI/UX design like he described as "golden age" = Your post quoted above "Some 3D could be good".

You're ignoring the "I guess" - you realize that's dismissive right? "Oh, if you've got to have it, whatever."

The idea that, without a hint of drop-shadow you're going to get confused about what constitutes a button in a DAW is silly in 2020. Everyone between the ages of 2 and 60 is well-versed in the language of flat screens.

So Live's taste is bad expecially when there was good sign in Live 9's Glue Compressor.

What, exactly about this glue compressor plugin was wonderful? What's missing now? You're still not bothering to actually make an argument, aside from stating as absolute fact that the GUI is 'bad.'

I don't get what you are trying to dispute in the theory. Intrancer wrote flat is not preferable. You said flat with subtle 3D is good. The link is saying same thing. So good example is Live 9's Glue Comp which had that taste.

Therefore Live's design is good in 2010's paradigm. But in the present state it is bad in my opinion as there is already good design in 2020 . You are just keep trying to state it is (actually "was") good while hiding the important part of the context. "in the 2010's paradigm"

You pick flat over 2020's subtle 3D UI? That's fine totally up to you. But I prefer newer design paradigm.

In addition, trying to arguing about 'source' instead of 'subject' is typical mistake when you want to have a discussion maturely. Just my 2 cents.

[miloszz]

You said flat with subtle 3D is good.

I didn't. See above.

Therefore Live's design is good in 2010's paradigm. But in the present state it is bad in my opinion as there is already good design in 2020 .

Design doesn't expire, it's not milk set out in the sun.

The key part is "my opinion" here - yes, you don't like the design of Live. Cool! Don't use it. That doesn't make it objectively good or bad.

You are just keep trying to state it is (actually "was") good while hiding the important part of the context. "in the 2010's paradigm"

... no, I keep saying I like it. That these are a series of opinions. There is no "2010s paradigm" and "2020s paradigm." We are not a month into the 2020s, in any case...

In addition, trying to arguing about 'source' instead of 'subject' is typical mistake when you want to have a discussion maturely. Just my 2 cents.

There is no subject. You just keep linking to an irrelevant blog post instead of actually stating what is supposedly bad (aside from, as we all agree... it's flat).

[billybong]

It's interesting to see which anti DAW zealots are the wildest. Handy comparison threads ATM in this forum.

[tooneba]

You said flat with subtle 3D is good.

I didn't. See above.

Therefore Live's design is good in 2010's paradigm. But in the present state it is bad in my opinion as there is already good design in 2020 .

Design doesn't expire, it's not milk set out in the sun.

The key part is "my opinion" here - yes, you don't like the design of Live. Cool! Don't use it. That doesn't make it objectively good or bad.

You are just keep trying to state it is (actually "was") good while hiding the important part of the context. "in the 2010's paradigm"

... no, I keep saying I like it. That these are a series of opinions. There is no "2010s paradigm" and "2020s paradigm." We are not a month into the 2020s, in any case...

In addition, trying to arguing about 'source' instead of 'subject' is typical mistake when you want to have a discussion maturely. Just my 2 cents.

There is no subject. You just keep linking to an irrelevant blog post instead of actually stating what is supposedly bad (aside from, as we all agree... it's flat).

You said subtle 3D is good.

Because it's flat... that's not short for flattering btw...

Different strokes/etc. - I like the flatness, easier to look at for longer.

Some 3D could be good, I guess, but skeumorphic design in the plugin world is especially terrible.

Design has its trend and it actually expires in parallel with the technology evolving. Recent revisiting of the 3D element in the UI is pushed by both perspective. You can grasp the idea by reading those site. a b c d If you don't want to read from that "source" google yourself. Plenty of articles.

Don't attempt to put your word in my mouth. As I said in the previous post, what I don't like is skeuomorphism not Live's UI. What I said was ableton's flat is bad. The reasoning behind my opinion can be explained by these articles. You can of course come up your own argument to them. Sum up your idea and build your own theory to counterargue this trend.

If you don't like the definition of old and new paradigm 2010's 2020's you can keep it as "old" and "new". It's just for convenience to distinguish them easily in the context.

You can keep saying those UI/UX trend is just irrelevant and conspiracy theory. But it's all over the places in your face unless you are living in the cave.

[antic604]

It's interesting to see which anti DAW zealots are the wildest. Handy comparison threads ATM in this forum.

You mean how the Ableton thread is actually about why people left it and Bitwig's thread is about why Bitwig is great and how it's better than Ableton?

Yeah, that's a correct observation. And true

[billybong]

QED.

It's a bit of SW mate and the frothiest post their school-of-life experiences here, positive and negatory. As for me me, I own 2 DAWs, one is Live, both work for me, neither defines me as a musician.

[antic604]

QED.

Read both threads and find my posts that confirm what you're claiming? Because this one's obviously sarcasm and tongue-in-cheek.

But sure, it's better to just feel smug & better...

[billybong]

QED relating to what I qualified in the rest of the post, nothing smug about it. I wasn't criticising you, I was acknowledging what you wrote.

[billybong]

And BTW, you call somebody writing that the sw isn't important compared to his own lack of chops smug? Weird

[Kongru]

ITT we argue why each other's subjective taste is wrong.

I think Ableton has the best looking and most functional UI, that's my opinion. No link from a dubious design education site is going to change that opinion.

[tooneba]

All sites I posted are citing major leading company but yea, it's dubious and totally conspiracy theory, your perception is always right.

[Kongru]

ITT we argue why each other's subjective taste is wrong.

Bit pointless really...

[Forgotten]

QED.

Indeed...