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chk071 wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:20 am Looks exactly the same to me.
You definitely need glasses :D

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If only I could find mine... :)

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chk071 wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:27 am If only I could find mine... :)
I have mine put on but I recognize, they're quite dirty :hihi:

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oonabe wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:20 am Now Bitwig compared to the DAW I used back in the 90s...
That's a pretty biased comparison, because your putting against each other Bitwig in controller assignment mode which is heavily data driven (Excel-like right part of the screen) and makes everything drenched in green hue vs. a timeline + mixer.

Perhaps something like-for-like?

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oonabe wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:37 pm I find Bitwig very uninspiring and looking like it was designed back in the 90s, but it's a matter of tastes I guess.
Bitwig UI kinda reminds cheap plastic toys :D

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dtrq wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:17 pm
oonabe wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:37 pm I find Bitwig very uninspiring and looking like it was designed back in the 90s, but it's a matter of tastes I guess.
Bitwig UI kinda reminds cheap plastic toys :D
Being a huge fan of the DAW I have to agree somewhat - especially how the clips are drawn (I think it's that notch in upper-left corner...), automation header and how device nesting is represented. Especially the latter looked much better in v1.x (obviously that's a very personal preference)

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v2+

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chk071 wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:20 am Looks exactly the same to me.
Mac OS relatively had better taste considering it was 1984 :hihi:

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oonabe wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:20 am Now Bitwig compared to the DAW I used back in the 90s...

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The UI in the pic you posted has adopted slight 3D element which can be seen in major leading company's UI/UX design concept more and more recently. Though I don't like orange, by today's standard I can evaluate this UI theoretically better than ableton's 'we are forefront of the new dawn of UI in 2013'.

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antic604 wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:28 am
Robmobius wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:01 am I did leave Ableton for Logic at one point, but then I went back to Ableton...
What part of "why" don't you understand?
I just didn't want to share my reasons with 'your sort'. :D
I will take the Lord's name in vain, whenever I want. Hail Satan! And his little goblins too. :lol:

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I left Ableton for Bitwig and never looked back. Well ok once I did, and quickly realized I could not give up the many advantages of Bitwig to go back to Ableton.

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Robmobius wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2020 3:45 pm
antic604 wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:28 am
Robmobius wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:01 am I did leave Ableton for Logic at one point, but then I went back to Ableton...
What part of "why" don't you understand?
I just didn't want to share my reasons with 'your sort'. :D
Well, then sort yourself out ;) :P
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antic604 wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:09 pm
Robmobius wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2020 3:45 pm
antic604 wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:28 am
Robmobius wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:01 am I did leave Ableton for Logic at one point, but then I went back to Ableton...
What part of "why" don't you understand?
I just didn't want to share my reasons with 'your sort'. :D
Well, then sort yourself out ;) :P
Sorry... I can't reply to 'your sort'. :party:
I will take the Lord's name in vain, whenever I want. Hail Satan! And his little goblins too. :lol:

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it's not just about how it looks, there is no mixer view in AL and can't be put all kind of devices into the tracks(MIDI generators, instruments, fxs etc.) and all of them can be controlled(macroing stuff) from the top-level container together

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and it supports MIDI channels other than one in its inner routing ... was a huge pain point in AL to me
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Sorry, Bitwig might be great but it looks awful and I hope this is not the tendency in upcoming DAWs. There are better ways to use 3D emulations on UI elements, like the Reason Rack to name an example.

I personally like Ableton's UI way better though it isn't perfect either. We might start a UI war here or maybe unite and project our hate together towards Cubase's UI? :clown: just kidding, it's all a matter of tastes I guess

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Have you tried Reaper's UI?
Signatures are so early 2000s.

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