Why you left FL Studio?

[Trancit]

It´s that easy as TrojakEW wrote... it´s never about the tools it´s always about the user... a big period

May I ask why you bought your audio payware, and why you didn't choose to not pay for anything? Because, it pretty much doesn't make sense to argue that it's all about the user, and at the same time spend a lot of money on tools which are redundant, when it's all about the user.

Because there is the other point I mentioned: personal preferences...

[Calenberger]

FL is the country abbreviation for
Fürstentum Lichtenstein
(the small rich country between Switzerland and Austria)
by the way.

[bermudagold]

Honestly, I am still surprised how FL develops; based on its popularity and commercial model (they don't charge for updates), and user base (mostly EDM and hip-hop producers): they could have gotten into mostly developing and selling presets, loops, sample libraries for their own sampler and projects/templates. Instead, it looks like IL wants to develop it into more "pro." app. for working with midi and audio (all the kids see FL used by their favourite dj and go buy it at some point, but will their favourite dj still use FL, if he outgrows the FL workflow and wants to record audio etc?). (Additional complexity can alienate the future customers at some point.)

Apparently yes,....Madeon just did a bunch of interviews where he is quoted as saying its the most powerful DAW out there.....since his song is in the new Apple commercial....being associated with one of the largest brands in the world has made his brand skyrocket....which of course will raise FLs brand...that's how these things work for most people.....and despite certain workflow inefficiencies and emotions around GUIs....there is no denying functionality wise it objectively checks almost all the boxes

[tooneba]

Honestly, I am still surprised how FL develops; based on its popularity and commercial model (they don't charge for updates), and user base (mostly EDM and hip-hop producers): they could have gotten into mostly developing and selling presets, loops, sample libraries for their own sampler and projects/templates. Instead, it looks like IL wants to develop it into more "pro." app. for working with midi and audio (all the kids see FL used by their favourite dj and go buy it at some point, but will their favourite dj still use FL, if he outgrows the FL workflow and wants to record audio etc?). (Additional complexity can alienate the future customers at some point.)

It's in a niche position really, and it's always trying to prove that it belongs in the mainstream with the rest of the linear DAWs. When it started as a midi sequencer and evolved into a midi host that later added audio features.

Probably why so many people walk around with a chip on their shoulder when protecting FL Studio's workflow with a cult like attitude.

Yeah same goes for Studio One in your theory (I don’t believe though), you would say so many people walk around with chip on their shoulder when protecting Studio One’s output audio quality with cult like attitude.

[Jace-BeOS]

...Madeon just did a bunch of interviews where he is quoted as saying its the most powerful DAW out there.....since his song is in the new Apple commercial...

Wait, he uses FL Studio on a Mac? I can’t even get it to play its demos without crashing. Logic has no such problem (though Cubase 4.5 did, when using the browser system, which was another reason I trashed it).

[tooneba]

....and despite certain workflow inefficiencies and emotions around GUIs....there is no denying functionality wise it objectively checks almost all the boxes

After editing in normal linear track paradigm in other daw, I rediscovered that there is so much relief in contextual arranging when dealing with so many tiny audio clips going through different (mixer) tracks. You have to vertically deal (maneuver through) with 10 rows just to arrange 10 different tiny clips for verse texture. (There are also buildup, drop solo, etc) Or even 1 tiny clip, when you have to recycle the clip in other places, you have to break down a bundled tracks and point the exact same track to reference and reuse. Meanwhile, you can deal with this chore in a single row in FL. I realized this chore actually takes considerable brain resource for me.

[bermudagold]

....and despite certain workflow inefficiencies and emotions around GUIs....there is no denying functionality wise it objectively checks almost all the boxes

After editing in normal linear track paradigm in other daw, I rediscovered that there is so much relief in contextual arranging when dealing with so many tiny audio clips going through different (mixer) tracks. You have to vertically deal (maneuver through) with 10 rows just to arrange 10 different tiny clips for verse texture. (There are also buildup, drop solo, etc) Or even 1 tiny clip, when you have to recycle the clip in other places, you have to break down a bundled tracks and point the exact same track to reference and reuse. Meanwhile, you can deal with this chore in a single row in FL. I realized this chore actually takes considerable brain resource for me.

I could believe it....i've worked in human factors, and there are so many variables that affect the way information is processed, including historical learned experience.....that when designing for maximizing or minimizing a particular cognitive performance metric,....the results can be vastly different from what would be expected.

[burnt circuit]

Yeah same goes for Studio One in your theory (I don’t believe though), you would say so many people walk around with chip on their shoulder when protecting Studio One’s output audio quality with cult like attitude.

The big difference is that working professional mixing and mastering engineers actually use Studio One, not so much for FL Studio. It all has to do with the ability to actually work with audio on the timeline.

But, bedroom producers have all day to fart around with any workflow. Most likely using mutliple programs to acheive the same thing in double the time.

[tooneba]

Yeah same goes for Studio One in your theory (I don’t believe though), you would say so many people walk around with chip on their shoulder when protecting Studio One’s output audio quality with cult like attitude.

The big difference is that working professional mixing and mastering engineers actually use Studio One, not so much for FL Studio. It all has to do with the ability to actually work with audio on the timeline.

Your defined scenario is already coverd as well as the logic you proposed ironically pushed Studio One into "But, for most amateur bedroom producers, XYZ isn't an issue." tier tool.

[burnt circuit]

Please try to remember what this thread is about...

"Why you left FL Studio?"

Many people have left FL Studio due to it's workflow, sorry.

[tooneba]

Yeah same goes for Studio One in your theory (I don’t believe though), you would say so many people walk around with chip on their shoulder when protecting Studio One’s output audio quality with cult like attitude.

The big difference is that working professional mixing and mastering engineers actually use Studio One, not so much for FL Studio. It all has to do with the ability to actually work with audio on the timeline.

Your defined scenario is already coverd as well as the logic you proposed ironically pushed Studio One into "But, for most amateur bedroom producers, XYZ isn't an issue." tier tool.

Please try to remember what this thread is about...

"Why you left FL Studio?"

Many people have left FL Studio due to it's workflow, sorry.

Please try to remember what this forum is about...
You are not immune to the check from the comprehensive angle once you engaged in a generalization. That's how people keep things fair, right?

[Calenberger]

Please try to remember what this forum is about...

Creatively derailing with bizarre statements and associations on a far fetched point which has nothing in common with the original intentions of the OP

[tooneba]

Please try to remember what this forum is about...

Creatively derailing with bizarre statements and associations on a far fetched point which has nothing in common with the original intentions of the OP

That's the fruit of engaging in generalization, like when one discusses about plankton and define it plant for it unable to swim while ignoring the comprehensive angle. If one doesn't want that perspective in the discussion then hold back the cheesy rhetoric that inevitably provokes the comprehensive argument

[jclosed]

Long story short... I used FL Studio a lot, so I gave it a fair chance. At the end it just not "clicked" with me. I never felt comfortable with the DAW. I now use the Bitwig and Cubase combination, and that fits me far better.

[burnt circuit]

Please try to remember what this forum is about...

Creatively derailing with bizarre statements and associations on a far fetched point which has nothing in common with the original intentions of the OP

I believe it's a case of defensive confusion, when something is said and it can only draw an emotional excuse, usually not even closely related to the topic and sometimes extended to personal attacks.