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tooneba · Post by **tooneba** » Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:05 am

billybong wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:01 am
tooneba wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2020 3:19 am One of the keystone that had been made ableton being attractive. The Simpler. How they ruined. <Vol.1> Envelope's preview scale

WTF? Time-axis scale isn't even matched...

Didn't read the whole thread - do you still use Live?

I roughly read the most - do you still use Live?

billybong · Post by **billybong** » Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:54 am

You answer first.....

tooneba · Post by **tooneba** » Sun Feb 09, 2020 5:08 am

You read first.... There is an answer....

xbitz · Post by **xbitz** » Sun Feb 09, 2020 7:26 am

is per note modulation possible in Ableton Live ?

billybong · Post by **billybong** » Sun Feb 09, 2020 7:34 am

tooneba wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2020 5:08 am You read first.... There is an answer....

I saw that you appeared to leave it over dubstep, is that right...?

Dubstep has much to answer for it seems. Wub.

tooneba · Post by **tooneba** » Sun Feb 09, 2020 7:47 am

billybong wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2020 7:34 am
tooneba wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2020 5:08 am You read first.... There is an answer....
I saw that you appeared to leave it over dubstep, is that right...?

Dubstep has much to answer for it seems. Wub.

Didn't listen the dubstep - do you still use Live?

billybong · Post by **billybong** » Sun Feb 09, 2020 7:54 am

You read first.... There is an answer....

tooneba · Post by **tooneba** » Sun Feb 09, 2020 7:57 am

xbitz wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2020 7:26 am is per note modulation possible in Ableton Live ?

tooneba · Post by **tooneba** » Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:03 am

billybong wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2020 7:54 am You read first.... There is an answer....

Wow you are so arrogant

What does it make you feel entitled to get an answer before you introduce yourself?

machinesworking · Post by **machinesworking** » Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:51 am

jonljacobi wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2020 3:41 am I never found Live remotely intuitive. Now that I know it decently, I do find it insanely quick. And extremely clever. I left it twice, now I’m basically hooked. But yes, there are issues here and there. Nothing’s perfect. I do wish they’d interact with the hoi polloi more.

They used to. I hung out in a bar in Berlin with a higher up guy from Ableton (around V3) and Urs Heckman back before he was winning awards for being a great plug in guy, and the Ableton dude was very interested in what us plebs had to say. Success changes everything. 5-7 years later Ableton is announcing 2 million unique users. At $400 a pop...

It's still a great product, but IMO some of that is why Bitwig has MPE, better CPU management, lower intro prices etc. etc. Ableton IMO kind of model the Apple corporate branding approach, with some of the same limitations that has.

billybong · Post by **billybong** » Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:10 am

Ableton left me as I'd become too set in my ways and ended up cramping its style.

Autobot · Post by **Autobot** » Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:29 am

Hard to left Live because I use it for such a long time. To get intimate with another DAW is way to time consuming. In addition I see no reason to left Live. I went from MPC with a couple of synths to Cubase from there to FLStudio to end up with Live. Of course there is always a drawback and some limitations like with every other piece of software/instrument. I tried Bitwig but it was somewhat cumbersome to me.

tooneba · Post by **tooneba** » Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:56 am

machinesworking wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:51 am
jonljacobi wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2020 3:41 am I never found Live remotely intuitive. Now that I know it decently, I do find it insanely quick. And extremely clever. I left it twice, now I’m basically hooked. But yes, there are issues here and there. Nothing’s perfect. I do wish they’d interact with the hoi polloi more.
They used to. I hung out in a bar in Berlin with a higher up guy from Ableton (around V3) and Urs Heckman back before he was winning awards for being a great plug in guy, and the Ableton dude was very interested in what us plebs had to say. Success changes everything. 5-7 years later Ableton is announcing 2 million unique users. At $400 a pop...

It's still a great product, but IMO some of that is why Bitwig has MPE, better CPU management, lower intro prices etc. etc. Ableton IMO kind of model the Apple corporate branding approach, with some of the same limitations that has.

I can't judge with this single episode (in their facebook), but they seem rather avoiding customer relation.

Your compapny don't care at all about any kind of disability. Absolutely no accessibility. Don't make it sound like you care, please.

It was answered with two fake appreciation of my work; nobody really opened and read the document since I keep track of that.

A full five days work with precision in mind. References to other accessible audio software techniques. One polite email from them saying they were glad I did it. A reference to someone who'd never read the document.

And it's a bit awkward to transfer the responsibility to me while it's clearly on your side that nobody cares about that for years. Ableton Live is a fantastic standard in the industry. I owned a T-Shirt.

tooneba · Post by **tooneba** » Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:01 am

double post

Tks32tim · Post by **Tks32tim** » Sun Feb 09, 2020 7:44 pm

I left ableton because I just couldn’t seem to finish anything in it and I never quite gelled with the sound of it, Cubase had what I needed sonically but I missed some of the ableton native plugs then I had a go with bitwig and now it’s my daw I use the most best compromise between the 2 I think anyway, just could not get a sound I was satisfied with in ableton

Why you left Ableton?