Why you left Ableton?

[roman.i]

I left ableton because I just couldn’t seem to finish anything in it and I never quite gelled with the sound of it, Cubase had what I needed sonically but I missed some of the ableton native plugs then I had a go with bitwig and now it’s my daw I use the most best compromise between the 2 I think anyway, just could not get a sound I was satisfied with in ableton

You know, a DAW "engine" doesn't have it's own sound character. If you use the same set of plugins, the result will be the same in all DAWs.
Probably you didn't like the sound of Ableton native plugins, but liked Cubase's, that's possible.

[pdxindy]

I left ableton because I just couldn’t seem to finish anything in it and I never quite gelled with the sound of it, Cubase had what I needed sonically but I missed some of the ableton native plugs then I had a go with bitwig and now it’s my daw I use the most best compromise between the 2 I think anyway, just could not get a sound I was satisfied with in ableton

You know, a DAW "engine" doesn't have it's own sound character. If you use the same set of plugins, the result will be the same in all DAWs.
Probably you didn't like the sound of Ableton native plugins, but liked Cubase's, that's possible.

You are right in terms of the sound engine... but besides native plugins, different DAW's have different strengths and lead one to do things in different ways. They may also have different default settings, panning laws, metering settings and so on.

[jonljacobi]

I left ableton because I just couldn’t seem to finish anything in it and I never quite gelled with the sound of it, Cubase had what I needed sonically but I missed some of the ableton native plugs then I had a go with bitwig and now it’s my daw I use the most best compromise between the 2 I think anyway, just could not get a sound I was satisfied with in ableton

This seems to be a common complaint with Ableton. My guess is that it's something to do with the look and due to shape consciousness, which is a phenomenon that cuts across the entire audio industry, especially among "audiophiles" and boutique vendors. I did my own blind tests early on, because I felt a hint of the same thing. No difference. It's no reason to leave any DAW.

Put another way, they all sound good when you close your eyes.

[tooneba]

How they ruined <Vol.2> The Simpler. One of the keystone that had been made ableton being attractive.

Inconsistency

Well, now it's becoming like novation Automap software...


Knobs look like working as redundant GUI.... or not.

[Tks32tim]

Lots of people get amazing results in ableton I know but i just couldnt probably my own engineering skills rather than the software plus cubase just seemed to have a deeper soundstage, or was maybe just more forgiving...

[oonabe]

there is no perfect DAW, one can like Ableton Live more than others, but I'm glad this forum has a "mute" button

[anomandaris1]

Stability>creative plugins. I have almost never heard a good thing about Live since they introduced Max.
Some selected titles of post from reddit: "Ableton" (most of these are from a few days ago)


"Just spent 8 hours today working on a big new project and now Ableton crashes every time I try to open it?"

"Two LFOs on same track = crash"

"Do you experience frequent spontaneous crashes with Ableton Live??"

"Ableton 10 Project won't save anymore, crashes and creates Abletontmp file. can you help me?"

"Constant crashing on Windows 10"

"Ableton 10 - "File could not be opened" error/crash (Windows 10)"

[tooneba]

DAW developers have a responsibility for plugins that they developed, not for those made by random dudes.

[Kongru]

Stability>creative plugins. I have almost never heard a good thing about Live since they introduced Max.
Some selected titles of post from reddit: "Ableton" (most of these are from a few days ago)


"Just spent 8 hours today working on a big new project and now Ableton crashes every time I try to open it?"

"Two LFOs on same track = crash"

"Do you experience frequent spontaneous crashes with Ableton Live??"

"Ableton 10 Project won't save anymore, crashes and creates Abletontmp file. can you help me?"

"Constant crashing on Windows 10"

"Ableton 10 - "File could not be opened" error/crash (Windows 10)"

I think it's down to the plugins and system configuration. Ableton 10 rarely crashes for me but Reaper crashed every session, for some people Reaper never crashes and Ableton always does.

One thing that might help with Max related issues is changing the Max version from bundled to standalone in the settings.

[anomandaris1]

DAW developers have a responsibility for plugins that they developed, not for those made by random dudes.

Factory Max (or not Max) content also can lead to corrupted files or crashes. A few days ago I was watching youtube tutorial on psytrance sound design in Live, and the dude was praying for it not to crash during the saving and loading of project
Still, this is not isolated case (Cubase is known for being unstable for many versions; Fl on Mac is also considered unstable etc).
(I have never experienced a Reaper crash, I think, but I have seen plenty of Live crashes in friends' studios - it is very ironic, because for a program, known for live electronic performances, you usually need stability as number one priority.)

[antic604]

DAW developers have a responsibility for plugins that they developed, not for those made by random dudes.

Good no one told that to Bitwig devs when they implemented plugin sandboxing

[Kongru]

DAW developers have a responsibility for plugins that they developed, not for those made by random dudes.

Good no one told that to Bitwig devs when they implemented plugin sandboxing

I think the record is broken

[tooneba]

DAW developers have a responsibility for plugins that they developed, not for those made by random dudes.

Factory Max (or not Max) content also can lead to corrupted files or crashes. A few days ago I was watching youtube tutorial on psytrance sound design in Live, and the dude was praying for it not to crash during the saving and loading of project
Still, this is not isolated case (Cubase is known for being unstable for many versions; Fl on Mac is also considered unstable etc).
(I have never experienced a Reaper crash, I think, but I have seen plenty of Live crashes in friends' studios - it is very ironic, because for a program, known for live electronic performances, you usually need stability as number one priority.)

Yeah, they invited a snake into their house. (10's integration) Instead of patching the vulnerable doorway they opened it to make Live deeply accessible. I know there are too many users voices to count requesting stability for decades. I don't know why they went this way. It's strange that it is opposite direction of thing marketed as rock solid software for live usage.

[tooneba]

DAW developers have a responsibility for plugins that they developed, not for those made by random dudes.

Good no one told that to Bitwig devs when they implemented plugin sandboxing

Okay, let's start with sandbox max4live first then.

[antic604]

DAW developers have a responsibility for plugins that they developed, not for those made by random dudes.

Good no one told that to Bitwig devs when they implemented plugin sandboxing

I think the record is broken

What you mean?