keyscape vs modelled counterparts, how does compete the best multisampled instruments ?

[Cinebient]

F.e. i really felt so much in love with the Keyscape Upright Wing....i wonder if Pianoteq has similar to offer.
So in theory the pro version could do any imaginable keys/pianos?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EE0k1SyAS8

[Krakatau]

The only warranty, inherent of both technologies will a way more tweakable and therefore versatile offer of physical modelled pianos, but not necessarily the most realistic sounding ones (yet)...with keyscape, these are indeed multiple samples of real piano sounds !

interesting competition between both technologies, isn't it ?

[Cinebient]

The only warranty, inherent of both technologies will a way more tweakable and therefore versatile offer of physical modelled pianos, but not necessarily the most realistic sounding ones (yet)...with keyscape, these are indeed multiple samples of real piano sounds !

interesting competition between both technologies, isn't it ?

But it could be combined or?
Does not the SWAM string instruments f.e. use a small amount of samples for some things?
But often it is also just the sound of the room and the right mics which adds the organic character which is hard or impossible to recreate with physical modeling.
There is place for both.
F.e. as much as i like Chromaphone, there is nothing which sounds as good and organic like the acoustic belltone keys from Keyscape.
Layering a sampled with a physical modeled key is also great. I like using physical modeling for organic but more unreal sounds while i still prefer real samples for other things.
But it looks like physical modeling does not made really big steps forward in the last years.

[Krakatau]

But it could be combined or?
does not the SWAM string instruments f.e. use a small amount of samples for some things?

true, ...as hauptwerk does for it pipes organ, both seems to have an intensive use of IRs for instance

often it is also just the sound of the room and the right mics which adds the organic character which is hard or impossible to recreate with physical modeling.

you'll be surprised, the Moddart team made a big deal of recreating microphones placements around pianoteq, with different model of mics (likely as IR themselves)

it is place for both.

undoubtely...

[Sampleconstruct]

For me "realism" is a totally subjective aspect...if I want realism I'll just play and record my old grand piano which has some quirks but sounds beautiful. I produced many samples with prepared piano string sounds, hand-muted sounds and whatnot, but the feature to prepare and tune each string accurately inside Pianoteq is totally fascinating, also with the harp, hand-pan and bell-models.
And realism to us, who work with virtual instruments and synths on a daily basis is a far more important topic than for the average music- and soundtrack consumer who can't notice a difference between a clarinet and an oboe or a trumpet and a french horn and certainly not between a Pianoteq and a sampled or even a real piano.

[Cinebient]

Mmhhh, you guys convice me to finally buy the pro version soon
Maybe within the next deal i give up.
I started now again to demo Pianoteq 6 standard and it looks there are a lot improvements (also GUI wise) compared to v5.
I would just love to create my own "weird" keys and indeed Pianoteq 6 looks like it great for some experimental things as well.

[4damind]

Pianoteq has still an artificial sound but its great for creative sounds but not if you only need a very natural sounding piano.
The Yamaha C7 in Keyscape sounds amazing.

[fmr]

Pianoteq has still an artificial sound but its great for creative sounds but not if you only need a very natural sounding piano.
The Yamaha C7 in Keyscape sounds amazing.

I disagree in what concerns Pianoteq, and I can compare it side by side with a real baby grand (you know, one of those that have hammers and strings)

To me it is the most realistic VST piano available, and I tested many.

Regarding Keyscape, I can only talk about what I heard when it was launched. I heard a pianist playing the Etude Op. 10 # 12 of Chopin, and it was far from amazing. Actually, the lows sounded completely artificial, thin and lifeless to me. Don't know which piano it was, but it wasn't good.