10 points.
maybe not the best, hard to pinpoint a single band.
but definitely up there
DP was one of the top 4 DAWs in 2000, but they went with having plug ins develop for their own format, MAS, and obviously VST and RTAS won out. Then Apple bought Logic, which sunk DPs popularity since conventional wisdom was that Logic was the de facto DAW for OS X. This coupled with a slow transition to OS X, and it's no wonder MOTU developed a Windows version of DP.gminorcoles wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:27 amMost helpful, detailed opinion. Best post I have seen in a while. It can be hard to find DP users compared to Cubase which is another thing that makes me cautious about dp. Not that popular compared to Cubase which, aside from the absolute merits of each tool, can carry some risk.machinesworking wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:57 am Anyway there's a start for your consideration. Hope that helps.
I appreciate your time.
There is your first mistake. Is being a Mac user more important than finding the best tools for the job? I always look for the best tools first, then let those choices dictate which OS I use.
Surely you've just not found where it is? How can they think it's optional? That's nuts!Stereo panning is not even available in Studio One. You have to use a plugin. Crazy!
For me that's the day the label sends the masters off to the CD manufacturer. Up until that point, I want to be free to change anything at all.
But your 20 year old stems do? I don't have the vocal tracks from either of our first two albums but I have all the Orion projects.System resource, wise habits from back in the day have stuck by me, and honestly the times I didn't render all tracks to audio before mix down and mastering have ended with various computer configurations and failures resulting in going back to projects from 20 years ago where X plug in no longer exists etc.
No, it just helps you believe that it's not. My attitude is why add an effect if I can just tweak an envelope, where you feel the need to justify going back. It's a good example of why it's a bad idea. i.e. I'll try the envelope tweak first, because it's easier, but if it doesn't work I can always try an effect. It puts more options at my fingertips.I actually think committing is a good thing, of course you always have the track in (in my case) Ableton to go back to if you're really convinced that a sharper envelope will help a particular synth stand out etc. In a way it's a good thing it makes it that much harder because it forces you to think about whether or not that's truly the problem.
Couldn't you have made a shorter clip, edited that and then propagated it back across the timeline? That's what I'd do in Cubase. I'd never even think to look for a search function.I wanted to remove a hi hat line on the break on the 1st and 3rd beats, this was possible in 3 or less moves with the search function in DP, but a matter of selecting and editing a hundred individual beats in Live.
Yes, things that surprised me to discover aren't standard in any other host, like a simple left-click to add a note in a piano roll, right-click to delete and the ability to remember the length of the last created note and use it for all subsequent notes.I'm sure there are features of Orion you will miss editing wise
Not so far but I work very hard to keep things uncomplicated so situations like that may never come up.I would bet there are a lot more new ones in Cubase that will eventually be of great use to you
Yes, I have hard disks with stems from 20 years ago, but opening some interesting but unfinished project in Logic recently and certain Logic EXS sampler sounds are lost, certain Pluggo plug ins that have been discontinued for 10+ years are gone. I should have committed the tracks to audio.
Almost every DAW I've ever used is double click to add a note without selecting a pencil tool, select and Delete key to delete, and they remember the last note length you selected. Geist has right click as delete, but most DAWs use right click for contextual menus.Yes, things that surprised me to discover aren't standard in any other host, like a simple left-click to add a note in a piano roll, right-click to delete and the ability to remember the length of the last created note and use it for all subsequent notes.
I hear you, I switched back to DP from Logic because Logic 8 started screwing up IMO at the time, Logic's superior mouse shortcuts for zoom, tools, and selections in general.BONES wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:24 am The trick to Orion's piano roll is that the pencil tool is the default and you use CTRL to make a marquee selection. It's such a simple thing but it saves so much time over the course of a session. When nothing is selected, then everything you do affects the whole pattern, no need for a "select all" hotkey.
This place is nuts!BONES wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 5:12 amThere is your first mistake. Is being a Mac user more important than finding the best tools for the job? I always look for the best tools first, then let those choices dictate which OS I use.Surely you've just not found where it is? How can they think it's optional? That's nuts!Stereo panning is not even available in Studio One. You have to use a plugin. Crazy!
[mod edit: flames deleted]Daags wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 6:47 pm I use multiple DAWs because they have different strengths, and a chain is only as strong as its weakest link. So for each 'link' in my production 'chain', I use whatever DAW is best at that particular task.
the beauty of VST plugins is they work in whatever DAW is the 'link' I'm working on at any given time. All on the same computer, using wav & midi files. It's not like you have to lug 14 lbs of tape from the studio down stairs, up ten flights of stairs, convert it to a different tape format, then lug 23 lbs of the new tape format down 3 flights of stairs to the next studio to work in, and repeating this process everytime you want to take your project to another stage better suited in another 'studio'. So it is beyond me why neckbeards get their panties all twisted and bunched up their heinie just because someone might have some criticisms about their 'waifu' DAW, even when the criticisms are coming from people who own licenses to and financially support the waifu in question.
Funny thing is, some of the most ardent cry babies with the most amount of pantie wedged the deepest up their chair-shaped heinie ... appear to have a relatively plentiful supply of disposable cash to spend on their hobby. So it's not like they are under huge economic pressure to go 'all in' solely for their waifu, warts n all.
So who's with me ? .... Multiple-DAW gang check in.
It's because you said "as a Mac user", as though that was the important part. I don't think of myself as a Mac user or a PC user (I use both), I think of myself as a Cubase user and an After Effects user and a 3DS Max user. But because 3DS Max is Windows only, and so much better for it than any cross-platform application I have ever used, that means I use Cubase and After Effects on Windows, too.
The difference is the input, not the process - you pan a mono source, you balance a stereo source but you use the same tool for both.As for stereo panning, look up the difference between balancing and panning, then realize S1 only has a stereo balancer, not a panner. This creates the need to use the plugin if you actually want to pan.
But a chain is much weaker than a single, solid bar so one host will always be better than a chain of them.
But you lose all your automation, effects and mixer settings when you move them, plus you need to save off their settings as a preset. It's a lot of work for minimal benefit.the beauty of VST plugins is they work in whatever DAW is the 'link' I'm working on at any given time.
Perhaps not in terms of the physical effort involved but certainly in terms of the time it takes you, it can be very much like that.It's not like you have to lug 14 lbs of tape from the studio down stairs, up ten flights of stairs, convert it to a different tape format, then lug 23 lbs of the new tape format down 3 flights of stairs to the next studio to work in, and repeating this process everytime you want to take your project to another stage better suited in another 'studio'.
Because those people are not idiots, they see the stupidity of using multiple host applications.So it is beyond me why neckbeards get their panties all twisted and bunched up their heinie just because someone might have some criticisms about their 'waifu' DAW, even when the criticisms are coming from people who own licenses to and financially support the waifu in question.
Perhaps, then, they have some other motivation, like wanting to do the best possible job in a reasonable timeframe, with the least amount of effort?Funny thing is, some of the most ardent cry babies with the most amount of pantie wedged the deepest up their chair-shaped heinie ... appear to have a relatively plentiful supply of disposable cash to spend on their hobby. So it's not like they are under huge economic pressure to go 'all in' solely for their waifu, warts n all.
Why would that annoy you, unless you knew deep down that they had a valid point?AlesisVi61 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2020 7:13 pmWhat currently really annoys me about such whiny c*ck-juggling-thunder-c*nts,is how they restrict themselves to using only ONE DAW,while bitching about how the upcoming Genesis Pro VST is only 32 bit.
When "them" is the vast majority of users, it seems reasonable to me and helpful to point that out to the developer.This f**king VST only cost a $1.10 and yet,they expect the developer to cater specifically to them??
I often have both Orion and Cubase open together, usually with the same song loaded on each so I can copy the work from the former to the latter.One jackass claimed that having multiple DAW's on a single computer is a strain on the CPU?How so?Unless you are trying to run mutliple DAW's at once,then yes...that may be a problem.
Why "add"? Do you keep your old car when you buy a new one? I feel that I am in a position where I have no choice other than to have multiple hosts on my laptop but the day I can wheedle it down to one will be a very happy day for me.To answer your question....I began with Reason(version 4)....so being that it had no audio & still no MP3 export,it was inevitable...that I would add new DAW's at some point.
Name one, as in something you can achieve in one of your hosts that you can't do in another or that is so significantly easier/better that it is worth the massive effort involved in exporting everything from one host and setting it all up again in another.All this being said,those who choose to restrict themselves to a single DAW,are missing out on a whole plethora of creative opportunities.
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