Why you left Cubase

[Anlon]

...I plan to demo Cubase, of course, but I need to order an eLicenser since no Guitar Centers around me seem to have one.

You could demo Cubase Elements, for that you don't need a dongle. It doesn't have all the bells and whistles of the Pro and Artist versions, but it gives you a good insight into how to work with Cubase.

Apart from that I don't find Cubase clunky. You have a lot of choices how to go about things, in that way it reminds me a bit of FL Studio and that's one of the things I really like about Cubase. I work a lot with shortcuts and macros and for that kind of workflow Cubase is ideal. I'm on PC and for me Cubase runs smoothly without any problems, so I don't know if it works ok on Mac.

[Vortifex]

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[chk071]

For me that (the "clunkiness") represents the impression that it's all cobbled together, barely holding at the seams. Like for instance you have an old bike, where the paint chips here & there, the steering is kinda loose and imprecise, there's oil grease everywhere and you're never sure if brakes will work when you need them. It's all wonky and wobbly.

A lot of it is kinda irrational, resulting from my lack of experience with it and - probably - just my bias, but it's enough to go deeper into Cubase to see those 90's bits of code / workflow / visuals sticking out, which further reinforces that "feeling".

So kinda like SONAR or Cakewalk (CbB) then?

Yes. Just not as severe.

[jonljacobi]

We're talking about very old programs in Sonar, Cubase, and Logic. Especially the latter two that go back to the 80's. I thought Sequel was the new interface they were going to apply to Cubase, but it never happened. All three have a rather antiquated "more is better" interface philosophy (if there really is one), then there's the whole not wanting to disturb existing users too much, and maintaining revenue stream with new features, and you wind up with what you have now. S1 and Reaper follow along proudly in the tradition. You can customize/minimize Logic and Reaper, but still.

Super powerful DAWs that are great options for lots of users and engineers, but I opt for simpler. Luna appears to me as a greatly streamlined effort in the same direction. Very Pro Tools-ian, but clean. Sadly, UA and Mac only.

[hoxclab]

Bump

[antic604]

Duvdev praises it

https://youtu.be/YoIEXwYDggY

[starflakeprj]

Should I but it? I mean, 40% crossgrade discount and all, so about 200 EUR

[antic604]

Should I but it? I mean, 40% crossgrade discount and all, so about 200 EUR

It's getting better with each new release, so why the hell not. I might use it occasionally once they ditch the eDongle.

[starflakeprj]

Should I but it? I mean, 40% crossgrade discount and all, so about 200 EUR

It's getting better with each new release, so why the hell not. I might use it occasionally once they ditch the eDongle.

It is certainly intriguing at 40% off, but I remember two, three years ago when Steinberg ran a 50% off on crossgrades. I almost bought it back then. Not it's a little more expensive, but also more mature

Don't mind the eLicenser dongle since I have one already.

[antic604]

Should I but it? I mean, 40% crossgrade discount and all, so about 200 EUR

It's getting better with each new release, so why the hell not. I might use it occasionally once they ditch the eDongle.

It is certainly intriguing at 40% off, but I remember two, three years ago when Steinberg ran a 50% off on crossgrades. I almost bought it back then. Not it's a little more expensive, but also more mature

Don't mind the eLicenser dongle since I have one already.

I think that was some big anniversary, like 30 years or something?

[chk071]

I might use it occasionally once they ditch the eDongle.

The thought crossed my mind too. Just reluctant to get into another quasi-subscription scheme (like... a new paid version every year). If anything, I'd rather look for something free, or very low priced.

And, if anyone argues "But you don't have to upgrade", yes, that's correct. The issue with that is that only new version get good support. Wouldn't be the first time where a new version gets some important fixes, which aren't done in former versions.

Man, I really yearn for the times where a new (paid) major version was released every 5 years or something...

[antic604]

I might use it occasionally once they ditch the eDongle.

The thought crossed my mind too. Just reluctant to get into another quasi-subscription scheme (like... a new paid version every year). If anything, I'd rather look for something free, or very low priced.

And, if anyone argues "But you don't have to upgrade", yes, that's correct. The issue with that is that only new version get good support. Wouldn't be the first time where a new version gets some important fixes, which aren't done in former versions.

Man, I really yearn for the times where a new (paid) major version was released every 5 years or something...

Right, that's one more thing that is disappointing about Cubase. Seeing how much stuff Bitwig, Live, Studio One or even that goddamn Reason add between paid updates it's disheartening that Steinberg only adds features - and indeed fixes bugs - once a year only when it's time to pay

[elxsound]

I might use it occasionally once they ditch the eDongle.

The thought crossed my mind too. Just reluctant to get into another quasi-subscription scheme (like... a new paid version every year). If anything, I'd rather look for something free, or very low priced.

And, if anyone argues "But you don't have to upgrade", yes, that's correct. The issue with that is that only new version get good support. Wouldn't be the first time where a new version gets some important fixes, which aren't done in former versions.

Man, I really yearn for the times where a new (paid) major version was released every 5 years or something...

Right, that's one more thing that is disappointing about Cubase. Seeing how much stuff Bitwig, Live, Studio One or even that goddamn Reason add between paid updates it's disheartening that Steinberg only adds features - and indeed fixes bugs - once a year only when it's time to pay

This has been my other reluctance beyond the dongle too. There have been some annoying bugs that seem to get resolved in paid releases. That's what pissed me off about Wave Lab many years ago (time flies) especially with their first Mac release (where shortcuts were reversed in some windows - it was crazy).

[starflakeprj]

Should I but it? I mean, 40% crossgrade discount and all, so about 200 EUR

It's getting better with each new release, so why the hell not. I might use it occasionally once they ditch the eDongle.

It is certainly intriguing at 40% off, but I remember two, three years ago when Steinberg ran a 50% off on crossgrades. I almost bought it back then. Not it's a little more expensive, but also more mature

Don't mind the eLicenser dongle since I have one already.

I think that was some big anniversary, like 30 years or something?

Oh yeah, you might be on something there.

I found the competitive crossgrade at Sweetwater for $199.20. That's even lower than the €199 from Best Service. Just bought it (I'm bored, and couldn't resist)

[Bombadil]

Was not as well optimized for the Mac as Logic is, no surprise there. I tried 10.0 in case I switched to a PC, because Apple was annoying me for a good long while. With the new ARM chip, Apple and I are speaking again.