Reaper and Bitwig.

[antic604]

Yeah a software developer, although i'm not sure i'd call a hobbyist a "software developer".

I still don't understand why you need a DAW that's designed for "software developers"?

If part of your musical creativity is expressed via designing random or generative systems producing sounds or patterns, then you have two choices:
- use any DAW and just add the right plugins, like Reaktor, VCV, Voltage Modular, Riffer, MIDI Maddness, etc.
- use a DAW that's built from the ground up for such workflows, like Live, Bitwig, Reason, MuLab

So what exactly you want to achieve?

[whyterabbyt]

Bitwig and Reaper are aimed at musicians, not computer programmers.
They both have demos you can try for yourself.

I can’t think of any daws aimed at computer programmers.

Reaktor
Max 4 Live
Synth Edit

None of those things are DAWs.

[whyterabbyt]

Is/are Reaper and Bitwig a software for a computer programmer because I got the impression it is/they are?

They isnt.

Unless the computer programmer in question wants to record/manipulate audio, of course. But Bitwig is predominantly targetted at the same niche as Ableton Live, ie live performance and composition, and Reaper is predominantly targetted at the same niche as linear 'record and mix' DAWs like ProTools.
Digital Audio Workstations dont typically aim at computer programmers as a niche because programmers dont typically work with audio, they work with code. DAWs are specifically tools for musicians, sound editors, recording engineers, etc.

However if you prefer to generate your music via programming, you should look at CSound, Supercollider, Chuck and the like.

[whyterabbyt]

Furthermore is it the same people who have a very deep understanding of DSP also can understand computer programming? (they have such an intellect).
Or am I mistaken?

DSP is primarily maths. So a deep understanding of certain kinds of maths is required.
Implementations of DSP are primarily done in software, because its digital signal processing.

Generally, you'd expect someone specialising in DSP to understand programming. However its not necessarily the case that someone who's an expert in DSP is an expert programmer.

[whyterabbyt]

They called the sound designers programmers because they were programming the sound chips. Pre-recorded audio took a while to appear.

That's not how the term sound designer came into existence, though. The term existed as a specific job in the film industry for a long time before any conflation with preset design. It was a term created (by Frances Coppola and Walter Murch) to be analagous to 'production design', ie someone responsible for the overall sonic themes of a film. It wasnt anything to do with the design of specific sounds, or synth preset creation, those usages came significantly later. First credit for sound designer : Walter Murch, for "Rain People", 1969.

[Spring Goose]

Is/are Reaper and Bitwig a software for a computer programmer because I got the impression it is/they are?

They isnt.

Unless the computer programmer in question wants to record/manipulate audio, of course. But Bitwig is predominantly targetted at the same niche as Ableton Live, ie live performance and composition, and Reaper is predominantly targetted at the same niche as linear 'record and mix' DAWs like ProTools.
Digital Audio Workstations dont typically aim at computer programmers as a niche because programmers dont typically work with audio, they work with code. DAWs are specifically tools for musicians, sound editors, recording engineers, etc.

However if you prefer to generate your music via programming, you should look at CSound, Supercollider, Chuck and the like.

Thankyou.

[Spring Goose]

I still don't understand why you need a DAW that's designed for "software developers"?

So what exactly you want to achieve?

I've already explained:

I just wanted to talk about it before trying demos. I'm only interested at the moment. As I explained I have only a vague interest in changing DAWs. I wouldn't change DAWs in the next 6 months I think.

Also I've joined this community (KVR) where a lot of people are using these softwares: Reaper and Bitwig. I had a quick look at it, but then I felt overwhelmed by it. I'm just asking, i'm just taking an interest in Reaper and Bitwig and the people who use it.

BTW I was kinda absent from making computer music and reading about it between 2009 to 2018. I'm playing catch up. Am I right these Reaper and Bitwig didn't even exist in 2008?

[Spring Goose]

What he says???

I wasn't the only person who was interested. Also Trancit was interested!

[Spring Goose]

Is Reaper for computer experts/ "power user"? You know the customisation options, the keyboard shortcuts.

[antic604]

Is Reaper for computer experts/ "power user"? You know the customisation options, the keyboard shortcuts.

Sorry, but you really fail at explaining it. Like the above. You need to be a "computer expert" to use keyboard shortucts?! Or edit settings?!

But yes - Reaper is deeply customisable, which means you can make it work & look any way you want, so there's countless menus, very in-depth settings, extensions, macros, etc. But you DON'T have to use most of it. Bitwig on the other hand is pretty simple, with very few settings & menus, because it is designed to work on tablets & touch screens.

I say get the demos & try them out. By saving your time, you're wasting ours

[Spring Goose]

They are an expert / "power user"!
People who use customisation options and keyboard shortcuts are an expert / "power user"!

I remember when I bought Cubase 5 in 1998, and opened it to basically a blank page. I had to learn what everything is. It took some time to get the hang of it.

[Spring Goose]

I say get the demos & try them out. By saving your time, you're wasting ours

I'm enjoying the conversation. You don't have to reply (do you?).

[whyterabbyt]

So what exactly you want to achieve?

I've already explained:

Im with antic604 here, Im not convinced that you have explained. Youve explained some sort of motive, but not what you're trying to achieve.
For example:

Is Reaper for computer experts/ "power user"? You know the customisation options, the keyboard shortcuts.

Are you a computer expert or power user or programmer? Are you looking for a DAW that suits someone who is a computer expert or power user or programmer?
Or are you looking to avoid one that is?

Because you havent said. You keep asking 'are these for X type of user' instead of saying what you want.

You're not explaining what you're trying to achieve.

What you have achieved is listing some random groups of people and asking if they might use a specific package. How is that useful to anyone? How would that even be helpful to someone who is or is not in one of that groups?

[Spring Goose]

I just wanted to talk about it before trying demos. I'm only interested at the moment. As I explained I have only a vague interest in changing DAWs. I wouldn't change DAWs in the next 6 months I think.

[Spring Goose]

Also I've joined this community (KVR) where a lot of people are using these softwares: Reaper and Bitwig. I had a quick look at it, but then I felt overwhelmed by it. I'm just asking, i'm just taking an interest in Reaper and Bitwig and the people who use it.

I don't really understand your complaint.