Re: Does anyone know if this considered "cheating" or nor

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imrae
KVRian
1011 posts since 2 Jul, 2010

Post Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:01 am

Modulating keys is really the thing that separates proper composition from hack songwriting IMO. A well-executed modulation can feel exciting, cathartic, exotic... While lazily repeating with transposition generally jarring, immersion-breaking, and leaves a bad taste of blatant manipulation. It discards your previous work establishing a key and demands the listener adapt quickly. Yes, there are some big hits in that group so clearly the market doesn't see it that way.

I'd also make a major caveat that it's ok if you want to be jarring; in electronic music weird transposition can really double-down on that alien vibe.

Kongru
KVRian
1092 posts since 23 Feb, 2017

Re: Re: Does anyone know if this considered "cheating" or nor

Post Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:14 am

BertKoor wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:43 am
Just don't over-do it, like this:
Hey, that's a modern day classic.
Signatures are so early 2000s.

claudedefaren
KVRist
171 posts since 10 Mar, 2013

Re: Re: Does anyone know if this considered "cheating" or nor

Post Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:06 am

Love On Top is a great example for someone to have posted here.

People ADORE that song, Beyonce fans and myself included.

Put in on a forum of theory snobs (not saying that's what this is) and ask them their opinion on it? Most of them will slam it. Lazy! Uncivilized! What was the composer thinking?

Ask someone successful in the industry and they'll probably say yeah, that's a bop. Nothing wrong with a little transposing, especially as a device to signal the end of a song.

Jacob Collier has been known to transpose one measure of a song up a semitone and then return, just to create tension and have fun.

Do what you want with transposing, your ears will tell you if it's not ok.

You're the only one who can give yourself permission to make musical decisions. Not someone on a forum.

When in doubt, look to what successful song writers have gotten away with. Anyone on the internet who tells you not to model after musical success is not someone you want to listen to, if success is what you're after.

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stanlea
KVRAF
5676 posts since 11 Feb, 2005 from Bordeaux France

Re: Re: Does anyone know if this considered "cheating" or nor

Post Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:35 pm

So what ?
You can't always get what you waaaant...

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excuse me please
KVRist
329 posts since 10 Oct, 2018

Re: Re: Does anyone know if this considered "cheating" or nor

Post Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:46 pm

Change tempo, transpose, change lyrics, change harmony and melody et voilá.. you could be the new Zappa :)

Protocol187¥
Banned
24 posts since 7 Feb, 2020

Re: Re: Does anyone know if this considered "cheating" or nor

Post Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:54 am

Funny question. No? Just lazy ^^^? Maybe...

lemonink
KVRer
5 posts since 19 Feb, 2020

Re: Re: Does anyone know if this considered "cheating" or nor

Post Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:28 pm

Learn from Katy Perry's dark horse. I think it was the first beat on the song that they allegedly copied.

Ksamphos
KVRer
26 posts since 8 Feb, 2019

Re: Re: Does anyone know if this considered "cheating" or nor

Post Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:12 am

No.
But if you do switch the transpositions and call it a new song you'll be...


...an excentric genius and no cheater.
Better than this only the silence. Better than the silence only John.

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