Bitwig Studio 3

[Echoes in the Attic]

can self layer VSTs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeHZOLoQHAY

Hey xbitz, what's going on there? I had never tried using an audio sidechain to bring in a VST signal into the grid, and to be honest when your video showed modulating the stack voices I wasn't convinced it was actually creating stacks of the VST. So I tested it. Cpu use doesn't change so I know it's not duplicating the VST within some virtual grid device stack. But level does increase with extra "Voices" and when I modulate a filter or something with a voice stack I do hear something different from normal modulation, some kind of spread or phasing that indicates something is going on, I just don't know what yet. Is it multiplying the audio signal like a chorus or doubler type effect? I am guessing so. Do you know what it's actually doing?
So I'm thinking through some potential uses of that. For mono sounds I guess you could do a lot of similar stuff as you would with native devices - envelopes and modulations can be spread or modulated per stack layer etc. Poly would be more limited but still there could be some interesting per layer modulations. I'm saying layer instead of voice because it isn't a voice in this case in terms of the VST voices, but per audio stack/layer of the doubling or whatever is happening.

[Echoes in the Attic]

Ah ok, xbitz what you did there with the audio sidechain seems to be the same effect as just using a Grid FX device after a VST and then setting the stack on the Grid FX device. I actually I didn't realize until now that you could stack the Grid FX (since you can't stack Bitwig effects devices). And it has the same effect, so yeah it's basically splitting the signal into parallel layers, much like an FX layer, if you were to manually duplicate the devices in the grid for each layer.

So that's really cool. It isn't really correct to think that there is VST integration into the grid any more than just being placed before or after on a track, but still cool.

[xbitz]

^^^ yepp, btw. Baphometrix created a superb 3 parts video series about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uM4yiofaays
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjTQs3w6daI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_I6HQbIuqvs&t

worth to watch it, it was a bit confusing to me, he also created a whole tutorial series about Grid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqR8mQk ... 4&index=15

[Reefius]

Making a 2 hour long video about something that can be explained in 15 minutes is not my definition of 'superb'. I tried watching his video's but quickly got annoyed because he kept repeating the same thing over and over again.

[xbitz]

^^^ mute sound just with captions, playing speed x2 ... as on udemy etc.

[dioxine]

sounds like he is dying atm

[Echoes in the Attic]

^^^ yepp, btw. Baphometrix created a superb 3 parts video series about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uM4yiofaays
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjTQs3w6daI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_I6HQbIuqvs&t

worth to watch it, it was a bit confusing to me, he also created a whole tutorial series about Grid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqR8mQk ... 4&index=15

Cool, I'll give those a watch. I was meaning to watch some of his other ones, but haven't gotten around to it.

[antic604]

sounds like he is dying atm

*she, apparently

[xbitz]

so just start to build a custom MIDI note echo with Polarity's note generator and a vocoder instances and gonna see why it's fun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9iqRjKpLVg

[gruberman]

sounds like he is dying atm

*she, apparently

OT: Are you sure? Sounds like a man to me.

The stuff you can do in Bitwig is stunning.

[antic604]

OT: Are you sure? Sounds like a man to me.

https://www.baphometrix.com/bio

[gruberman]

OT: Are you sure? Sounds like a man to me.

https://www.baphometrix.com/bio

Ok.

Stupid thing to bring up. Sorry for that,.

[Passing Bye]

Seems cool but I already have so many similar things.

I have nothing similar and I don't care for anything modular in it, makes no difference really, it's just an great DAW that have huge potential to become even better.

Nobody discusses that, but the question that "resurrected" this threead was is it worth to upgrade to 3.0 due to Grid

We are discussing that obviously, as I already answered to that question and than expanded on his reply to me, gonna repeat, he needs to decide, but for me it's worth it even without the Grid and whole appeal of Bitwig, for me, isn't about modular or whatever stuff majority seems to be excited about.

[mxbf]

I just wanted to feel out how much Bitwig users were really using it for the heck of it.

I already have VCV Rack, Max/MSP, and Reaktor. They're all great but I always am on the lookout for something better anyway.

I tried GRID and thought it was cool but I wasn't keyed into whether or not it's a significant advancement from VCV or Reaktor, or that it's differences allowed for any special kind of potential or workflow. I also know about Audulus which looks kind of interesting.

[Echoes in the Attic]

I just wanted to feel out how much Bitwig users were really using it for the heck of it.

I already have VCV Rack, Max/MSP, and Reaktor. They're all great but I always am on the lookout for something better anyway.

I tried GRID and thought it was cool but I wasn't keyed into whether or not it's a significant advancement from VCV or Reaktor, or that it's differences allowed for any special kind of potential or workflow. I also know about Audulus which looks kind of interesting.

The Grid isn't as powerful as Reaktor as a whole, but far more powerful and a better workflow than the Blocks portion of Reaktor, if using just the modules that are already made. I mean the grid is polyphonic for one thing but also the the way of working is far superior. I happen to quite like Blocks for it's sound and hardware like modular approach, but the Grid, which I have barely scratched the surface of, is definitely not constraining itself to a hardware like workflow.