Vengeance Producer Suite - AVENGER - 1.8.5 the main thread

[carlosigls]

Like I said, I am no programmer. So if MY time goes into designing a expansions, this do not affect ANY time of Rene going into something technical related.

I know you're not a programmer, I like Avenger but its consumption seems excessive.

[Kumal]

And yes, if it would get cracked we would starting with another, more safer system.

I've been reading here for quite some time. Unfortunately I think that was the definite dead-end for making my decision.

There are way more other companies (just to mention uhe, Fabfilter, parawave) whose copy protection is a simple key file and it doesn't hurt their business at all. Despite my massive hate against codemeter for several reasons, I was looking into it again for Avenger. But knowing it will be gone again as soon as it gets cracked is a no-go for me. Considering the defeat of code-meter in previous versions of multiple products this is a neverending chicane for honest customers.

I also agree to many other posters that the CPU consumption is not usual, even for its capabilities. Knowing your coder is already on its limits is not promising at all.

There's a replacement for every plugin. And I think I'll take of those then. Sorry.

[JoaquinAce]

And yes, if it would get cracked we would starting with another, more safer system.

Considering the defeat of code-meter in previous versions of multiple products this is a neverending chicane for honest customers.

Which Codemeter protected products have been cracked?

[Kumal]

And yes, if it would get cracked we would starting with another, more safer system.

Considering the defeat of code-meter in previous versions of multiple products this is a neverending chicane for honest customers.

Which Codemeter protected products have been cracked?

e.g. Reason, Sequoia and IIRC I've seen a topic about one of the MAAT plugins.

[bftucker]

Avenger is what it is...take it or leave it, like it or not. Each user must decide whether it is "worth the price." Personally, I haven't had any problem with it as it now is, including CM.

If you own it and are now not happy with how it is developing, my condolences. Life is sometimes disappointing. And if complaining here on KVR helps to ease the pain...feel free to express your dissatisfaction. There are, as was said, "a replacement for every plugin." Use that plugin then and best wishes.

Vengence, don't give up!

[JoaquinAce]

And yes, if it would get cracked we would starting with another, more safer system.

Considering the defeat of code-meter in previous versions of multiple products this is a neverending chicane for honest customers.

Which Codemeter protected products have been cracked?

e.g. Reason, Sequoia and IIRC I've seen a topic about one of the MAAT plugins.

That has been said before, even in this thread, but as far as I know, that has not been proven. You can go and look at the previous pages to find this discussion.

[m-ac]

According to Rene, there is physically no more room. 100saws take X cpu, thats a nature law, according to him. Furthermore having visualized aids and having EVERYTHING ready for being modulated has its price. I think its much more the preset design, than the plugin itself. You can make a patch using 100%cpu and almost the same patch whith 10%, just by designing it differently. Our expansion packs are optimized by me personally for the best CPU consumption possible. (routing, voice limits, envelope limits, reducing of unneccessary voicings, grouping of oscs etc...) But I saw 3rd party preset, who seemed to not care about this at all.

As far as I know you and rene both use PC's, and it looks like avenger plays much better on a pc compared to mac. I'm pretty sure you don't have issues with your latest synthwave xp where (on some presets) you can't even play 1 key without maxing out the cpu and causing pops, else that would be some really bad sound design haha. Maybe you and rene could look into bringing someone in with more osx experience to just have a look and see if rene is missing something?

[Kumal]

And yes, if it would get cracked we would starting with another, more safer system.

Considering the defeat of code-meter in previous versions of multiple products this is a neverending chicane for honest customers.

Which Codemeter protected products have been cracked?

e.g. Reason, Sequoia and IIRC I've seen a topic about one of the MAAT plugins.

That has been said before, even in this thread, but as far as I know, that has not been proven. You can go and look at the previous pages to find this discussion.

I don't need previous discussions knowing people who use those software like that.

[msvs]

According to Rene, there is physically no more room. 100saws take X cpu, thats a nature law, according to him. Furthermore having visualized aids and having EVERYTHING ready for being modulated has its price. I think its much more the preset design, than the plugin itself. You can make a patch using 100%cpu and almost the same patch whith 10%, just by designing it differently. Our expansion packs are optimized by me personally for the best CPU consumption possible. (routing, voice limits, envelope limits, reducing of unneccessary voicings, grouping of oscs etc...) But I saw 3rd party preset, who seemed to not care about this at all.

As far as I know you and rene both use PC's, and it looks like avenger plays much better on a pc compared to mac. I'm pretty sure you don't have issues with your latest synthwave xp where (on some presets) you can't even play 1 key without maxing out the cpu and causing pops, else that would be some really bad sound design haha. Maybe you and rene could look into bringing someone in with more osx experience to just have a look and see if rene is missing something?

I dont know... ask him, not me. I never used Avenger on a Mac in my entire life. I dont own any Mac computers and probabbly never will.

I think that was the definite dead-end for making my decision

Farewell my friend

[dreamvoid]

I dont know... ask him, not me. I never used Avenger on a Mac in my entire life. I dont own any Mac computers and probabbly never will.

I think that was the definite dead-end for making my decision

Farewell my friend

Wow - the hybris is strong here. It seems targeted as customers are amateurs with PCs then. With these expansion packs they have the modern equivalent of the home organ and noodle all day as a hobby. Nothing wrong with that of course.
I made a mistake then: I confused the synthesis capabilities with being a professional tool - of course I don't care about the expansions, saw them as a method to lure amateurs in to finance the whole enchilada. Now I see that it is just about these amateurs and their PCs - the constant comparison to the gaming industry makes sense now. There is a behaviour of the company here and in the way they treat customers which gives a toxic taste.

[Hanz Meyzer]

And yes, if it would get cracked we would starting with another, more safer system.

I've been reading here for quite some time. Unfortunately I think that was the definite dead-end for making my decision.

There are way more other companies (just to mention uhe, Fabfilter, parawave) whose copy protection is a simple key file and it doesn't hurt their business at all.

To be fair, it seems a more complicated case for Rene and Manuel, since they also want to sell preset expansions, and those need to be safe against cracking. But I think, there are proven examples of success stories, which do not rely on heavy protection at all. And also I think there is a smart technical solution, e.g. instead an heavy protection scheme, a very light and easily changeable/adaptable protection scheme.

@Hans: then write this to him, not me pls.

Sure, sorry, I already did many times, so we both were annoyed, he by my persistence and me by his ignorance.

So then, I'll leave this like it is.

P.S. Please feel free to delete any of my posts, if you think it causes too much negativity. I am completely ok with that.

[MachineClaw]

Avenger plays well on my MacBook Pro BUT I have an i9 cpu and 32gb ram and have not upgraded to Catalina yet. Still on Mojave. No clue on older Mac machines.

Avenger can be a beast so I got the biggest baddest Mac book pro and spared no expense cause I knew I didn’t want issues with cpu spikes n ram shortages.

Did the same with my pc desktop.

[m-ac]

Avenger plays well on my MacBook Pro BUT I have an i9 cpu and 32gb ram and have not upgraded to Catalina yet. Still on Mojave. No clue on older Mac machines.

Avenger can be a beast so I got the biggest baddest Mac book pro and spared no expense cause I knew I didn’t want issues with cpu spikes n ram shortages.

Did the same with my pc desktop.

What speed is your processor, and what buffer size do you use? Are you using logic? Do you have the atmospherica expansion by any chance?

If you let me know what expansions you have, we can do a side by side comparison to see how our cpu's compare.

[dune_rave]

I'm satisfied with Avenger.
I run it on a 10 year old -but strong - pc, with windows 10.
I like it as it is, and don't blame the devs.
I understand their decision about copy protection.
Avenger is quite complex, but not as overcomplicated like reaktor or Falcon.
Of course It would be good to see some cpu performance improvement, there's no synth plugin it's not on the todo list.
The latest bigger addition to its features was this multiloop feature - somehow i just don't find it useful. But overall it's a super synth.

[clipnotic]

Where can I see, which version of Avenger is installed?