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zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:45 am

I don’t do anything too crazy, but I’m hoping for a stable DAW to run plugins and control external hardware synths. My interface is an Apollo 8 FireWire. Is elements probably enough?

anomandaris1 · Post by **anomandaris1** » Mon Mar 30, 2020 5:57 am

There is a comparison on Steinberg's site.

the-machine · Post by **the-machine** » Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:22 am

maybe this will help you:

https://www.steinberg.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=165547

as far as i remember from older versions, only with the highest tier version you can fully utilize hardware synths (some artist wrote on forum). But i suggest you to check the link i gave and also demo.

Googly Smythe · Post by **Googly Smythe** » Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:29 am

Get Pro. It's worth it just for Frequency and the Logical Editor.

morelia · Post by **morelia** » Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:53 am

Probably. Do you care about midi effects because you get zero. You'll get more audio, group and midi tracks than I'd ever use. I think for people that are not doing huge productions the higher versions are mainly to be considered if there is something you really want. I bought Pro because I wanted audio quantize. You really have to look at this:

https://new.steinberg.net/cubase/compare-editions/

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:25 am

No sidechaining on Elements is probably the biggest bummer.

If you own some hardware which came with Cubase AI (e.g. one of the Steinberg audio interfaces), you can upgrade to Artist for 150 €: https://www.thomann.de/de/steinberg_cub ... ade_ai.htm

antic604 · Post by **antic604** » Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:29 am

zerocrossing wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:45 am...I’m hoping for a stable DAW to run plugins and control external hardware synths...

So why would you choose Cubase?

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:32 am

Sounds like a good choice to me.

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:47 pm

chk071 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:25 am No sidechaining on Elements is probably the biggest bummer.

If you own some hardware which came with Cubase AI (e.g. one of the Steinberg audio interfaces), you can upgrade to Artist for 150 €: https://www.thomann.de/de/steinberg_cub ... ade_ai.htm

Ah, that is a non-starter. Thanks. I need side chaining, for sure. Thanks.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:49 pm

Unfortunately, it's not even possible with dirty workarounds... the only thing you can do is using fake sidechaining like LFO Tool or VolumeShaper. Cubase from Artist on has sidechaining though, even though it's limited to VST3's. Which might be a bummer as well, if your favorite compressor is VST2 only.

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:52 pm

antic604 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:29 am
zerocrossing wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:45 am...I’m hoping for a stable DAW to run plugins and control external hardware synths...
So why would you choose Cubase?

Ever since last fall I’ve been having ongoing problems getting Bitwig to send MIDI out. Not sure why. It’s connecting to all my USB devices and I can use them all as controllers, but they can’t be controlled. For instance, I can use my Pro 2 as a controller for any software instrument, but if I try to get it to control my Dominion 1, or try to use my Novation Remote to control it, it does not work. It’s an on an off problem that’s been happening for a while and I’m tired of fighting it, so I’m considering moving on to another DAW. I’ve got very little time, these days, to play music, and this weekend I grabbed a couple of hours to play and instead I spent it dealing this this issue.

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:53 pm

chk071 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:49 pm Unfortunately, it's not even possible with dirty workarounds... the only thing you can do is using fake sidechaining like LFO Tool or VolumeShaper. Cubase from Artist on has sidechaining though, even though it's limited to VST3's. Which might be a bummer as well, if your favorite compressor is VST2 only.

Good to know. Does that same VST3 limit happen in Pro as well?

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:02 pm

Yeah.

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:04 pm

chk071 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:02 pmYeah.

Oh, f that then.

Thanks for the head’s up.

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:07 pm

Also... no cross-grade from Bitwig but one from Reaper?

Maybe I’ll just keep pushing Bitwig to fix it’s sh!t. I love their implementation of side chaining.

Cubase Elements or Artist?