Cubase Elements or Artist?

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zerocrossing
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10061 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area

Post Sun Mar 29, 2020 8:45 pm

I don’t do anything too crazy, but I’m hoping for a stable DAW to run plugins and control external hardware synths. My interface is an Apollo 8 FireWire. Is elements probably enough?
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anomandaris1
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Re: Cubase Elements or Artist?

Post Sun Mar 29, 2020 9:57 pm

There is a comparison on Steinberg's site.

the-machine
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104 posts since 17 Mar, 2008

Re: Cubase Elements or Artist?

Post Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:22 pm

maybe this will help you:

https://www.steinberg.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=165547

as far as i remember from older versions, only with the highest tier version you can fully utilize hardware synths (some artist wrote on forum). But i suggest you to check the link i gave and also demo.

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Googly Smythe
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Re: Cubase Elements or Artist?

Post Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:29 am

Get Pro. It's worth it just for Frequency and the Logical Editor.
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morelia
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4633 posts since 16 May, 2002 from Brisbane , Australia

Re: Cubase Elements or Artist?

Post Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:53 am

Probably. Do you care about midi effects because you get zero. You'll get more audio, group and midi tracks than I'd ever use. I think for people that are not doing huge productions the higher versions are mainly to be considered if there is something you really want. I bought Pro because I wanted audio quantize. You really have to look at this:

https://new.steinberg.net/cubase/compare-editions/
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chk071
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24053 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Re: Cubase Elements or Artist?

Post Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:25 am

No sidechaining on Elements is probably the biggest bummer.

If you own some hardware which came with Cubase AI (e.g. one of the Steinberg audio interfaces), you can upgrade to Artist for 150 €: https://www.thomann.de/de/steinberg_cub ... ade_ai.htm
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antic604
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Re: Cubase Elements or Artist?

Post Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:29 am

zerocrossing wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 8:45 pm
...I’m hoping for a stable DAW to run plugins and control external hardware synths...
So why would you choose Cubase? :shrug:
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chk071
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Re: Cubase Elements or Artist?

Post Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:32 am

Sounds like a good choice to me. :)
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zerocrossing
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10061 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area

Re: Cubase Elements or Artist?

Post Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:47 am

chk071 wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:25 am
No sidechaining on Elements is probably the biggest bummer.

If you own some hardware which came with Cubase AI (e.g. one of the Steinberg audio interfaces), you can upgrade to Artist for 150 €: https://www.thomann.de/de/steinberg_cub ... ade_ai.htm
Ah, that is a non-starter. Thanks. I need side chaining, for sure. Thanks.
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Re: Cubase Elements or Artist?

Post Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:49 am

Unfortunately, it's not even possible with dirty workarounds... the only thing you can do is using fake sidechaining like LFO Tool or VolumeShaper. Cubase from Artist on has sidechaining though, even though it's limited to VST3's. Which might be a bummer as well, if your favorite compressor is VST2 only.
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KVRAF
10061 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area

Re: Cubase Elements or Artist?

Post Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:52 am

antic604 wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:29 am
zerocrossing wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 8:45 pm
...I’m hoping for a stable DAW to run plugins and control external hardware synths...
So why would you choose Cubase? :shrug:
Ever since last fall I’ve been having ongoing problems getting Bitwig to send MIDI out. Not sure why. It’s connecting to all my USB devices and I can use them all as controllers, but they can’t be controlled. For instance, I can use my Pro 2 as a controller for any software instrument, but if I try to get it to control my Dominion 1, or try to use my Novation Remote to control it, it does not work. It’s an on an off problem that’s been happening for a while and I’m tired of fighting it, so I’m considering moving on to another DAW. I’ve got very little time, these days, to play music, and this weekend I grabbed a couple of hours to play and instead I spent it dealing this this issue.
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KVRAF
10061 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area

Re: Cubase Elements or Artist?

Post Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:53 am

chk071 wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:49 am
Unfortunately, it's not even possible with dirty workarounds... the only thing you can do is using fake sidechaining like LFO Tool or VolumeShaper. Cubase from Artist on has sidechaining though, even though it's limited to VST3's. Which might be a bummer as well, if your favorite compressor is VST2 only.
Good to know. Does that same VST3 limit happen in Pro as well?
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Re: Cubase Elements or Artist?

Post Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:02 am

Yeah.
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KVRAF
10061 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area

Re: Cubase Elements or Artist?

Post Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:04 am

chk071 wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:02 am
Yeah.
Oh, f that then. :x Thanks for the head’s up.
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zerocrossing
KVRAF
10061 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area

Re: Cubase Elements or Artist?

Post Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:07 am

:dog: Also... no cross-grade from Bitwig but one from Reaper?

Maybe I’ll just keep pushing Bitwig to fix it’s sh!t. I love their implementation of side chaining.
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