I have a different issue with the envelopes.Igro wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 12:11 pm Thorn has some quality problems. It's envelopes are slow. But that's due it's additive nature.
If I increase them on a Pad the CPU hits the roof.
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- KVRist
- 131 posts since 23 Mar, 2019
If I increase them on a Pad the CPU hits the roof.
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- GRRRRRRR!
- 17709 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere you're not!
Which part of the envelope? If you turn release up, then of course it's going to affect your CPU use.
It's interesting that Steinberg have just released a new HALion instrument, called Simple, that has "Digital" and "Analog" modes and the big difference you hear is that the digital envelopes are way more snappy. Kind of turns popular perception on its head, which means that slow envelopes could be seen as offering a more analogue sound.
What does that have to do with quality? I think they are fine but if you were unhappy you might try using the glitch sequencer to give them more snap.Igro wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 12:11 pmThorn has some quality problems. It's envelopes are slow. But that's due it's additive nature.
It's interesting that Steinberg have just released a new HALion instrument, called Simple, that has "Digital" and "Analog" modes and the big difference you hear is that the digital envelopes are way more snappy. Kind of turns popular perception on its head, which means that slow envelopes could be seen as offering a more analogue sound.
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- KVRAF
- 5532 posts since 26 Apr, 2007 from Noosphere
I'm not sure if the problem is with the envelopes exactly. But when i make kicks, the pitch sweep sounds terrible. I'm going to try again today...BONES wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:12 am Which part of the envelope? If you turn release up, then of course it's going to affect your CPU use.What does that have to do with quality? I think they are fine but if you were unhappy you might try using the glitch sequencer to give them more snap.Igro wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 12:11 pmThorn has some quality problems. It's envelopes are slow. But that's due it's additive nature.
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- KVRian
- 920 posts since 12 Jan, 2004 from Boston, MA
I also have some issues with fast modulation, e.g.: FM modulated by fast envelopes. Lots of aliasing artifacts.Igro wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:52 pm I'm not sure if the problem is with the envelopes exactly. But when i make kicks, the pitch sweep sounds terrible. I'm going to try again today...
But, FWIW: that does not affect my overall opinion of the synth. It is what it is, and I have proper FM synths for when I need that to be spot-on. [shrug] Thorn's still great at what it does.
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- KVRAF
- 5532 posts since 26 Apr, 2007 from Noosphere
Ok, just checked. It is fine when modulating the master pitch.Igro wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:52 pmI'm not sure if the problem is with the envelopes exactly. But when i make kicks, the pitch sweep sounds terrible. I'm going to try again today...BONES wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:12 am Which part of the envelope? If you turn release up, then of course it's going to affect your CPU use.What does that have to do with quality? I think they are fine but if you were unhappy you might try using the glitch sequencer to give them more snap.Igro wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 12:11 pmThorn has some quality problems. It's envelopes are slow. But that's due it's additive nature.
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- KVRAF
- 6295 posts since 12 Jan, 2018
Damn, DS Thorn can be currently had for just $15 with the PA survey voucher (or any other $25 voucher, of course). Thought the leap-year $30 deal was the best. Steal at $30, no-excuse at $15. 
https://www.plugin-alliance.com/en/customer-survey.html
https://www.plugin-alliance.com/en/customer-survey.html
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- KVRist
- 73 posts since 14 Dec, 2019
Thanks for the information! Just picked it up. Great sounding synth. 
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- KVRAF
- 9544 posts since 6 Jan, 2017 from Outer Space
Finally its cheaper than the transfer from Dmitri... 15$ for some sound sets extra...
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- KVRian
- 1450 posts since 9 Feb, 2007 from San Ramon, California
I haven’t used Diversion in a long time, but it also chewed up CPU like crazy if I turned envelopes up too long on pads. Reducing the load was a matter of careful choice of the decay time.
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- KVRAF
- 19790 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA
That transfer fee was from Plugin Alliance not Dmitry. Yes it was his decision to go with PA which I think was a mistake but the money grab came from PA.Tj Shredder wrote: Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:44 pm Finally its cheaper than the transfer from Dmitri... 15$ for some sound sets extra...
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- KVRist
- 95 posts since 15 Mar, 2020
Nice! For $15, I'll bite.
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- Banned
- 2288 posts since 24 Mar, 2015 from Toronto, Canada
I am tempted. Do I need it? its FM synth, right? is it that much better than NI FM8?
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- KVRAF
- 2765 posts since 15 Feb, 2017 from a worn out vinyl groove
Do I need another... ?telecode wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:21 pm I am tempted. Do I need it? its FM synth, right? is it that much better than NI FM8?
Need/want... hmmm hard call my friend.
It's not really a FM synth as such (yes, it has some FM but not on the level of FM8 ), however.. it does have it's own thing going for it...
OFC, we all know the "taste and try before you buy" mantra..
I posted this preset I made when I first got Thorn...
If you do take a listen, all that you hear is from just 1.. ONE instance of Thorn.. no drums.. no external FX (and not mastered... bit boomy in places). I'm lazy boy and to play it.. just 1 finger needed on keyboard..
I used it in the OSC at the time and tamed it to fit with other bits...
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- KVRAF
- 35671 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
You can get Thorn for $39.99 at the moment, on Plugin Alliance: https://www.plugin-alliance.com/en/prod ... thorn.html
Until 5th of April, I think.
Until 5th of April, I think.
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- KVRian
- 719 posts since 4 Feb, 2017
$15 if you use this voucher:chk071 wrote: Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:42 am You can get Thorn for $39.99 at the moment, on Plugin Alliance: https://www.plugin-alliance.com/en/prod ... thorn.html
Until 5th of April, I think.
https://www.plugin-alliance.com/en/customer-survey.html
Was already mentioned here two days ago.