Bargain Center: discussion, gossip, etc.

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Ploki
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2295 posts since 17 Dec, 2009

Post Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:10 am

WatchTheGuitar wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:00 am
The wankery of the constant PA, IK, Waves etc deals and crummy licensing is at the other end of the spectrum.
Yeah. it's... I don't want to support such devs with my money. Hopefully i'll sell all my PA plugs.

ZINO
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837 posts since 21 Jan, 2006 from Athens, Greece

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Post Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:17 am

WatchTheGuitar wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:00 am
Valhalla DSP has it exactly right IMO - one permanent price, no bundles and one reasonable fee for transfers. No version paid updates.

U-he a close second. Very occasional sales, 30% off max, no bundle sales apart from the NI one they now say they regret. Only charge a (reasonable) transfer if bought under 9 months ago otherwise free. Very occasional cheap upgrades that pack in features and may be free if you bought recently.

The wankery of the constant PA, IK, Waves etc deals and crummy licensing is at the other end of the spectrum.
The thing that I don’t like about the PA is that their upgrade prices are rarely discounted and often end up being more expensive than the full product price when on sale. A nice middle finger to loyal customers. I have a few old stuff that I would like to update but I won't.

Even so, it is a little unfair to include Waves and PA on the same sentence with IK. At least they don't Marketing cripple their actual products like IK does with useless GB of installations for a portion of a plugin that you own and unable to hide components and presets. IK = AWFULL, toxic company.

Tomgu
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226 posts since 8 Sep, 2014

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Post Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:26 am

Ploki wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:10 am
WatchTheGuitar wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:00 am
The wankery of the constant PA, IK, Waves etc deals and crummy licensing is at the other end of the spectrum.
Yeah. it's... I don't want to support such devs with my money. Hopefully i'll sell all my PA plugs.
If you sell them, they will get money from the license transfer fees ;)

escalona
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767 posts since 16 Jan, 2018 from Portland, OR USA

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Post Sun Apr 05, 2020 6:54 am

Raindog wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 12:33 am
Am I the only one who feels cheated by the plugin alliance deals?
I was not familiar with their akward deals policy when I realised I just missed an insane deal beginning of March and another deal 2 weeks later by just 30 Minutes. So I decided to buy to of their plugins to a so called "sales price" just to realise that they started another insane deal the next morning (just about 2 weeks after their last deal ended). I kindly asked their support if they could consider an extra voucher for me as I felt some "grace period" offer would be nice. Didn´t get any response though.So I decided (not with a very good feeling) to buy some plugins (the quality is outstanding I must admit) yesterday evening before the deadline is over. Just to realise that they decided to prolong the deadline and offer an additional discount.

I wouldn´t argue about the quality of their plugins (therefore I bought them) but the deal policy is not what I expect from a serious company. It´s a good reason not to buy anything from them in the near future as you feel cheated when you buy something at normal price or even discounted when they offer another discount just a few days later. Therefore my advice: When you want to buy something from plugin alliance wait for the latest moment or even longer.......
With PA, if you pay more than $29 you're overpaying. And even if you buy whatever at $29, one day it will cost $14 with the voucher. That's all there is to know about PA.
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Ploki
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2295 posts since 17 Dec, 2009

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Post Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:24 am

Tomgu wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:26 am

If you sell them, they will get money from the license transfer fees ;)
:? frustrating
Raindog wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 12:33 am

I wouldn´t argue about the quality of their plugins (therefore I bought them) but the deal policy is not what I expect from a serious company. It´s a good reason not to buy anything from them in the near future as you feel cheated when you buy something at normal price or even discounted when they offer another discount just a few days later. Therefore my advice: When you want to buy something from plugin alliance wait for the latest moment or even longer.......
i'd argue about quality of some of them, easily, and i'd probably win. :D

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Nobdi
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315 posts since 29 Apr, 2010

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Post Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:33 am

escalona wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 6:54 am
With PA, if you pay more than $29 you're overpaying. And even if you buy whatever at $29, one day it will cost $14 with the voucher. That's all there is to know about PA.
For Waves that would be, if you pay more than ~$27.50 (at a retailer) for any of their single plugins you're overpaying. ... and even then you better want to wait for a bundle that is on sale that includes the single plugin you want and then ideally upgrade to it. :wink:

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monomox
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348 posts since 27 Nov, 2017 from CO, USA

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Post Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:49 am

Yesterday I was telling my kids the story of my first trip to China. I went there with 4 of my friends. In the Forbidden City some random guy wanted to sell us a 200-yuan book about the place's history. I was somewhat used to haggling by then and got the book's price down to 50 yuan, and felt pretty good about myself. Then the same guy turned around and tried to sell the same book to my friend, who didn't want anything to do with the book or the peddler. My friend shook his head without even looking at the guy until the price was 20 yuan, which changed his mind and he bought it. Man, I was fuming for hours. Now I think it's a funny story. Money comes and goes, don't let it ruin your day.

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Aiynzahev
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3611 posts since 29 Jun, 2011 from USA

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Post Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:12 am

I'm looking to get a bunch of Softube stuff, particularly the Modular stuff. Does anyone have any recommendations for a good place to get a deal?
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autodafe
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1451 posts since 17 Jul, 2001 from Milan, Italy

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Post Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:40 am

Aiynzahev wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:12 am
I'm looking to get a bunch of Softube stuff, particularly the Modular stuff. Does anyone have any recommendations for a good place to get a deal?
usually everyplugin.com (seem they don't carry softube anymore..) or jrrshop.com have the lowest possible prices...check both and use coupons
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Project
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273 posts since 11 Mar, 2001

Re: Bargain Center: discussion, gossip, etc.

Post Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:45 am

Softube has announced modular month last Wednesday
This is the link to their offers so you can compare them with the aforementioned vendors

https://www.softube.com/modular-month#/

autodafe wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:40 am
Aiynzahev wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:12 am
I'm looking to get a bunch of Softube stuff, particularly the Modular stuff. Does anyone have any recommendations for a good place to get a deal?
usually everyplugin.com or jrrshop.com have the lowest possible prices...check both and use coupons

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autodafe
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1451 posts since 17 Jul, 2001 from Milan, Italy

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Post Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:16 am

yeah, except I just noticed that everyplugin.com doesn't carry Softube software anymore...

cprompt
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937 posts since 17 Nov, 2010 from UK

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Post Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:24 am

autodafe wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:16 am
yeah, except I just noticed that everyplugin.com doesn't carry Softube software anymore...
Are they going to rename themselves as noteveryplugin.com?
A bit fried in the higher freqs

Vleker
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293 posts since 8 Jun, 2019

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Post Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:39 am

Nobdi wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:33 am
escalona wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 6:54 am
With PA, if you pay more than $29 you're overpaying. And even if you buy whatever at $29, one day it will cost $14 with the voucher. That's all there is to know about PA.
For Waves that would be, if you pay more than ~$27.50 (at a retailer) for any of their single plugins you're overpaying. ... and even then you better want to wait for a bundle that is on sale that includes the single plugin you want and then ideally upgrade to it. :wink:
Agreed, if you have patience you can get great deals on both Waves and PA though and only then they are worth it. I got Waves Gold + RennMaxx + the Signature Drum and Bass + CLA-3A for under $100 through retailers (Everyplugin and Reverb). And the other day I bought DS Thorn for $15. Even though it can be hard sometimes, waiting for a good deal is worth it with these developers. Valhalla's marketing is the preferred way though!

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Uncle E
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11709 posts since 22 Nov, 2000 from Southern California

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Post Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:57 am

Raindog wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 1:54 am
I just don’t like when the sale Conditions change when the sale is actually running. You could do this, but I think it would be fair to offer a grace period for someone who bought just a few hours ago.
Agreed on both points. Maybe you're getting push back because there's already been a lot of complaining about Plugin Alliance in this thread. Personally, the money I "lost" recently by not buying at the optimal time was a lot less than the money I've saved on Starbucks over the past 3 weeks.

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Uncle E
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11709 posts since 22 Nov, 2000 from Southern California

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Post Sun Apr 05, 2020 12:02 pm

cprompt wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:24 am
autodafe wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:16 am
yeah, except I just noticed that everyplugin.com doesn't carry Softube software anymore...
Are they going to rename themselves as noteveryplugin.com?
Softube recently made it so all plugins not connected to Console 1 are available solely through them. The only reason we have some Modular plugins left is I bought out all the remaining licenses from Softube's US distributor.

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