Hive oscillators phasing in Flow mode — what am I doing wrong?
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- KVRist
- 482 posts since 10 Mar, 2013
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 482 posts since 10 Mar, 2013
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 482 posts since 10 Mar, 2013
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- KVRAF
- 4197 posts since 23 May, 2004 from Bad Vilbel, Germany
I don't think there is a "phasing issue". Hope this helps…
The 'Detune' parameter changes its meaning when Unison > 1. Quoting the user guide:
Detune
If ‘Unison’ is set to 1 this knob is a simple fine tune control: Oscillator 1 is tuned up and oscillator 2 tuned down within a range of one semitone.
If Unison is set to 2 or more, the multiple waves are detuned in opposite directions. In this case the sub-oscillator isn't affected unless its Waveform is set to like Osc.
It might not be obvious, but you can still fine tune the overall pitch of unison oscillators: In the modulation matrix, set the source to Constant and the target to Tune, then adjust the modulation amount while holding a SHIFT key.
The 'Detune' parameter changes its meaning when Unison > 1. Quoting the user guide:
Detune
If ‘Unison’ is set to 1 this knob is a simple fine tune control: Oscillator 1 is tuned up and oscillator 2 tuned down within a range of one semitone.
If Unison is set to 2 or more, the multiple waves are detuned in opposite directions. In this case the sub-oscillator isn't affected unless its Waveform is set to like Osc.
It might not be obvious, but you can still fine tune the overall pitch of unison oscillators: In the modulation matrix, set the source to Constant and the target to Tune, then adjust the modulation amount while holding a SHIFT key.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 482 posts since 10 Mar, 2013
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- KVRist
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- 482 posts since 10 Mar, 2013
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- KVRAF
- 4197 posts since 23 May, 2004 from Bad Vilbel, Germany
Ah yes, I get what you mean now. Thanks!
Here's what I think is happening (will experiment more): In Phase mode "flow" the phase offset of each unison wave is not randomized like in those other synths or in "random" mode, but is retained i.e. it sticks rigorously to the "flow" concept. The result is a more regularly phasing sound. So it's probably best to avoid "flow" Phase mode when making standard supersaw-type patches – use "random" instead. I think Unison + flow is an interesting effect, just not for that purpose.
BTW the Surge example sounds retriggered.
Here's what I think is happening (will experiment more): In Phase mode "flow" the phase offset of each unison wave is not randomized like in those other synths or in "random" mode, but is retained i.e. it sticks rigorously to the "flow" concept. The result is a more regularly phasing sound. So it's probably best to avoid "flow" Phase mode when making standard supersaw-type patches – use "random" instead. I think Unison + flow is an interesting effect, just not for that purpose.
BTW the Surge example sounds retriggered.
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- KVRist
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- 482 posts since 10 Mar, 2013
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- u-he
- 30215 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
Flow mode in Hive simulates free running oscillators with polyphonic voicing. The newly triggered note takes over the phase information of the previous note. Thus, if the previous note is still audible, there's a short phasing. That's by design.
When using in a mono setting, it acts exactly like free running oscillators in a classic mono synth.
Non-phasing poly settings are achieved by random phases.
When using in a mono setting, it acts exactly like free running oscillators in a classic mono synth.
Non-phasing poly settings are achieved by random phases.