Is it Honestly True That Access Virus = VSTI's

[BONES]

Of course, if I had my own Virus, I'd probably put a lot of effort into making it not sound like one.

kinda defeats the purpose then eh?

Precisely!

[Spryx]

I've had virii for years starting with the original Indigo, and since 2009 a TI Polar. I think ever since Sylenth came out, the virus really isn't a requirement anymore for modern EDM. I also own Spire, Dune 3, Diva. Any one of these could get you near the virus sound and probably then some. That said, I still use the virus. There is a certain warm quality about it and some sounds I just can't seem to get elsewhere. Even if it is band-limited.

I could say the same about the aforementioned VSTs. Nowadays, it doesn't make much sense to plop down $2.6k on a hardware synth unless you have money to burn. I think we have kind of hit a wall for traditional dsp processors. The next big thing will be fpgas which can sample at vastly higher rates than most vsts and traditional dsp-based hardware.

Despite this, i'm keeping the virus. Even in 2020, it still has its uses, and as previously stated, a synth is really more than the sum of its parts. This is why newer synths have failed to make the same impact (see kyra). The virus has good oscillators, can handle many voices at once, several engines, great fx. It really is a well designed synth. It is a shame Access/Kemper have no plans for it.

The first hardware synth i've heard in a long time to get me excited is the Novation Summit. I plan on getting one this year.

[UnbalancedBeats]

Have had a virus for more than 10 years and tons of VSTs. No VSTi gets close to it.
Now you can close the post.

[trusampler]

I still use a Powercore Virus B, @ 32 bit with jbridge, and it works fine, very stable plus some of those vintage plugins for tc are still kind of nice to pull up . If you can scoop them up used, it's worth it. They have a unique sound,as all gear does. The Viper plugin by Adam, is amazing and compared to the Virus B sounds alot more modern, in a good way. I spent alot of time trying to find that Virus sound in other plugins, as some are named in this thread.
Say what you will about other plugins being as good or whatever,but I came to realize the closest to what the actual Virus TI is doing in the specific sound range and overall vibe, Viper is the closest and in time, it's just going to get better. (I've owned 2 TI's in the past, but sold them as I still feel their price tag is a bit ridiculous.)

As far as Viper goes, it's crazy how close it is! in time i think it's just going to get closer and closer to the Ti. .This is saying alot imo..
Yes sure it's code and software like a Vsti,but the man behind the virus = Kemper was and still is pretty genius and his products have a soulful kinda vibe to them.

[SLiC]

I also had a Virus TI for about 6 years but I sold mine as I found that I wasn't using it as many of the VST's I had did the job (Rapid, Serum, Falcon, Massive X to name but a few). I am not saying they sounded the same, I am saying they covered the same sonic territory and in many ways sounded more interesting and were easier to program/use (better GUI etc).

Totally different if you want hardware to play live, Virus and Nord are great choices.

[trusampler]

Agreed!

[Haptix]

NO, just no. True part is that it is a software synth just like any VSTI, but the sound and versatility are on their own level completely. STILL after a decade, only piece of modern hardware that actually has a "sound" of their own.

- As a Virus TI2 dark star owner

[Haptix]

..And the "trance synth" - thing, there is no such a thing. Virus just happened to be available at the time, being great from day one is why everyone used it. Bare in mind that in a general way the Virus has been the same since 1997, just more features and power has come along with the years and models.

[adamszabo]

But Viper can get you close.

Not in the slidest. I'm really sorry for Adam to say that, but Viper sounds like a cheap Chinese imitation of the real thing.

A Virus emulation where everyone says that it clearly sounds like a Virus does not exist. Viper is a joke and most others don't even say they sound like a Virus

I usually dont boast about my products, I think everyone has a right to their opinion, but in this case in Vipers defense, I have to say these claims are lies and absolute bulls**t.

Please only make bold statements if you can back them up, otherwise you are just throwing words around. I am genuinely interested why both of you think that, please, sit down, and make a video and compare the Virus to Viper. Or take whichever synth you think does a better job and make a video to prove it. I will do so here. Now its your turn. This video was made with an early alpha version of Viper and I compared some patches. This is an old video a lot has improved since, but already you can hear what it can do:



In this video a customer said that Viper sounds different to a Virus, so I was curious to see why, and after I helped him convert some patches properly, he became a believer



Now if you tell me those dont sound close, I am afraid we have a very different definition of "close".

[the-machine]

Viper is not a joke, its a really good emulation and comes very close. There are few minor differences in sound, but i guess thats due to filter. But i can replicate my original virus ti patches to viper setting to setting and it doesnt require much of tweaking to make them the same.

[recursive one]

Viper is definitely not a joke. It's not an exact sonic replica of Virus but it never claimed to be afaik. As other people say, it can sound very very close in many situations. But actually when you work on a track you typically want a sound to fit your track rather than make a synth sound exactly like another synth. I can get many sounds from Viper that fit my tracks and they do actually sound similar to the sounds I'm making in Virus TI (except for the sounds made by Virus Formant Complex, these are special and neither Viper nor any other software can emulate them 100% exact). Also while in direct comparison VIper may sound a bit thinner/softer, it's actually easier to fit Viper into a 100% itb mix.

Comparing Viper to other software synths, it has some special qualities in its filters, FM, unison and other elements which sond lovely and not like other sofware synths that techncially have the same features. So it's a great synth on it's own with very lovely and unique sound capturing quite a bit of the Virus aestheitcs (unique for software I mean).

I probably woldn't mind someone making a Repro-level 100% sonic copy of Virus but since all the big developers are into 80's analog or jack-of-all-trades "supersynths" now I wouldn't expect this to happen any time soon.

[the-machine]

[quote="recursive one" post_id=7745693 time=1588148070 user_id=298269]
But actually when you work on a track you typically want a sound to fit your track rather than make a synth sound exactly like another synth.[/quote]

In the end this is the most important thing that matters most, because something that had value in the beginning something as "i sound exactly like Synthesizer X/ i am the synthesizer X" when mixing/after mixing process just doesnt matter anymore.

I personaly never cared what synth i used as long as it sounds good, my fans and my label manager will not going to care, because the end result = music what matters.

[chk071]

I wonder why your quotes never work.

[Amram]

@adamtrance
i am betting you used your Virus FX with Viper to sound like.
this video shows , how to use Virus Fx with other Instr :

[the-machine]

[quote=chk071 post_id=7745751 time=1588152130 user_id=229529]
I wonder why your quotes never work.
[/quote]

I wonder that too. I wrote to KVR staff couple times, apearently they red the messages but did not replied.