3.2 (Beta 1) is OUT!!!

[xbitz]

"why doesn't the whole chord play when I select it!"

it would be also good this is how it works in Ableton Live, the problem that the audition isn't selection but dragging based

[xbitz]

in AL a chord progression can listen back on this way

[antic604]

i...this is how it works in Ableton Live...

...in AL a chord progression can...

Stop this Ableton talk, it's frowned upon here

[JHernandez]

I don't see comping as an essential feature for synth sound or electronic productions. It's a recording feature and for things like recording 5 takes of a drummer and pic the best parts of his timing etc. Not sure if that is really a requirement in a world where we have quantize and generally a more experimental product instead of a traditional recording DAW. But that's just my personal view on it. Also because I barely record something I guess.

It's fair to say plenty of electronic music has vocals. Almost all of the electronic music I listen to has vocals. Comping is very useful for vocals. I can do without, and I am, but I can do faster with good comping. Bitwig is great recording software imo, it has everything it needs to record with any audio interface. It has all the audio routing and set up options I need to record. I use hardware synths, drum machines, samplers, effects processors, ect and I'll likely be getting a modular set up not too far in the future. All of these are addressed within Bitwig with the intention of interfacing with and recording said devices. I'm sure happy doing it. Clearly they thought far beyond in the box EDM (or whatever) or I would not be using Bitwig.

Just another point of view, another opinion.

[lxm]

I don't see comping as an essential feature for synth sound or electronic productions. It's a recording feature and for things like recording 5 takes of a drummer and pic the best parts of his timing etc. Not sure if that is really a requirement in a world where we have quantize and generally a more experimental product instead of a traditional recording DAW. But that's just my personal view on it. Also because I barely record something I guess.

So you are the authority of what electronic music is and how it's made?

very logical yes, my personal authority. It's my opinion of course, as I made pretty clear in post, if you read it again.

Why does it have to be electronic music? I produce lots of other music in Bitwig.

because that's the market Bitwig is in for

Welcome to Bitwig Studio 3, the innovative music creation and performance software.

not recording software^^

Many many people disagree with you regarding it as being essential.

great, so be it, that's essential for democratic process.

PS. Don't quantize That's not REAL music

And you are the authority of what is being REAL music then? love when people outperform themselves in the same post. Quantize has it's usecase and there are certain styles of music that require a few things to be perfectly in time..

Have a good day..

Wont bother with the anything else because you couldn't even get the obvious joke at the end....... that was making fun of YOU! lulz. You even ended with getting mad at it oyeeeee vaaaaay


OK I cant resist.

Of course its your opinion.... DUHHH.

You know EXACTLY the market and the music everyone is making with the software? Are you a developer? Part of the company?

This was my fav. *Not recording software* So they dont want you to record stuff? I'm PRETTYAAAY sure recording music falls under "creation". My goodness dude!

[xbitz]

i...this is how it works in Ableton Live...

...in AL a chord progression can...

Stop this Ableton talk, it's frowned upon here

ok, then

[antic604]

ok, then

There's already a dedicated post for that

[SB-SIX]

Ps, i do listen, just don't know how to please the whole planet other than giving the user some options.

I think its a good thing in the end, not to implement every feature requested. I’ve seen many products go to hell because of this, adding features that result in a cluttered product that in the end is not useable by anyone.
I do agree that with this beta a few important descisions have been made that are the start of more cluttering:

The tool with the 2 volume knobs (after a few months everyone starts to get confused which knob to dial in) and adding the eq without making the eq5 redundant. The same happened with lfo’s in the past, there should not be 3 lfo’s that almost do the same if you want a streamlined product.

It should not be a goal to have as many devices as possible imho.

I do like the new ideas in the betas, new versions always come with a few pleasant surprises, and add things in multiple areas

[escapednb]

The tool with the 2 volume knobs (after a few months everyone starts to get confused which knob to dial in) and adding the eq without making the eq5 redundant. The same happened with lfo’s in the past, there should not be 3 lfo’s that almost do the same if you want a streamlined product.

I don't understand this too. I mean they did it with all the Bitwig V1 Devices. They are still there if you open a V1 Project but hidden otherwise.
Just give us one MSEG/LFO-Modulator to rule them all and let me hide the others. Same goes with the EQ.

Now if i use the LFO-Modulator it's very hard to make it sync in very slow speeds so i need to use the Classic-LFO. But with the Classic-LFO if i do ramps you get a click at the beginning/end and can't smooth it out so you need a sample&hold... So basicly you need a workaround for such basic things like a slow lfo-ramp.

[xbitz]

let me help

[Hez]

Ps, i do listen, just don't know how to please the whole planet other than giving the user some options.

I think its a good thing in the end, not to implement every feature requested. I’ve seen many products go to hell because of this, adding features that result in a cluttered product that in the end is not useable by anyone.
I do agree that with this beta a few important descisions have been made that are the start of more cluttering:

The tool with the 2 volume knobs (after a few months everyone starts to get confused which knob to dial in) and adding the eq without making the eq5 redundant. The same happened with lfo’s in the past, there should not be 3 lfo’s that almost do the same if you want a streamlined product.

It should not be a goal to have as many devices as possible imho.

I do like the new ideas in the betas, new versions always come with a few pleasant surprises, and add things in multiple areas

I agree with the principle of simplicity & minimising the number of devices, but two volume controls on tool and more than one LFO are fine from a design perspective.

Regarding the Tool, I'd say that you typically have two types of volume controls in the analog realm - gain knobs (which typically add +- some amount of gain), and faders, which allow you to completely reduce the volume of a sound to zero. These are separate functions and warrant separate controls. Trying to make small gain adjustments with a knob that goes from -inf dB to +30db is really annoying, so having one control for the minor adjustments and one control for complete cuts makes sense to me.

Regarding LFOs, these are creative functions that have a multitude of uses. There are literally hundreds of LFOs in the Eurorack realm and each one (well... most of them hehe) has interesting and unique functionality.

In Bitwig, I think Classic LFO and the regular LFO could probably be merged, but Beat LFO should stay separate to these two, as it's a very different approach and enables different creative results.

[escapednb]

let me help

Yeah i know there are third-party tools but you can't integrate them into bitwig as easily as the native-modulators. It's still a workaround.
How is this one called btw?

[antic604]

The tool with the 2 volume knobs (after a few months everyone starts to get confused which knob to dial in)

Well, this one was a feature request for a long time. Gain is - traditionally in audio - meant to be used for gain staging, i.e. making certain things louder or quieter, whereas Volume is more for automating e.g. fade in / outs, therefore it has to go to -inf dB, whereas Gain is usually within a range.

Having said that, I prefer how they solved it in Live (only introduced in v10, after 18 years ), by simply using one Gain knob that has an 'uneven' scale on the "left" side.

[xbitz]

let me help

Yeah i know there are third-party tools but you can't integrate them into bitwig as easily as the native-modulators. It's still a workaround.
How is this one called btw?

no to you but to the BWS developers we need such a device in BWS, this is the Alchemy one

[Trancit]

I don't see comping as an essential feature for synth sound or electronic productions. It's a recording feature and for things like recording 5 takes of a drummer and pic the best parts of his timing etc. Not sure if that is really a requirement in a world where we have quantize and generally a more experimental product instead of a traditional recording DAW. But that's just my personal view on it. Also because I barely record something I guess.

It's fair to say plenty of electronic music has vocals. Almost all of the electronic music I listen to has vocals. Comping is very useful for vocals. I can do without, and I am, but I can do faster with good comping. Bitwig is great recording software imo, it has everything it needs to record with any audio interface. It has all the audio routing and set up options I need to record. I use hardware synths, drum machines, samplers, effects processors, ect and I'll likely be getting a modular set up not too far in the future. All of these are addressed within Bitwig with the intention of interfacing with and recording said devices. I'm sure happy doing it. Clearly they thought far beyond in the box EDM (or whatever) or I would not be using Bitwig.

Just another point of view, another opinion.

But In terms of most nowadays electronic music it´s plain wrong...
99% of such music use some splice vocal phrases... no need/respectively no chance of comping there as you got just one take...
Far more interesting for such genres are advanced possibilities for making vocal cuts where Ableton nailed it already years ago with the Simpler update... no feature like this still in Bitwig...

I second the statement of "irre" ... comping in nowadays electronic music is really not essential... helpful for some... yes for sure, but essential for the majority...definetely not...