Bitwig

escapednb · Post by **escapednb** » Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:42 pm

I just got my first own hardware-synth the ASM hydrasynth (which is a beast)
and now i got a few Questions.
I got the basics working using the HW-Instrument device and a empty flexi controller setup but i have a few problems.

1. Recording polyphonic aftertouch is only working if i turn off MPE. And the data recorded/played by bitwig surely looks and sounds different than the internal one.
The ASM website states "Bitwig supports it but they reinterpret the MIDI data coming in and send much more data out which can create problems for the Hydrasynth." So i guess thats how it is...

2. Pitchbend with MPE active is acting weird in general and is not working right (jumping back to zero when i reach the top/bottom).
There is also no data from the ribbon controller getting recorded at all.

Surely i can and will work mostly with recording audio from the hydrasynth. But it still would be great to know how to control the hydrasynth from within bitwig without many drawbacks.

Does somebody have the Hydrasynth too and can help a hardware-instrument-noob?

Tj Shredder · Post by **Tj Shredder** » Sun Apr 19, 2020 4:29 am

This is an interesting combination, as the keyboard is not a MPE controller, but the synth can deal with MPE.
Which script are you using? You might need a special script for including the ribbon the way you expect it to work...
Anyway I would contact support for both points...

BobDog · Post by **BobDog** » Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:48 pm

I have a hydrasynth, I will have a try with BW tomorrow and get back to you.

Mostly my experience of MPE and BW have not been perfect though but fingers crossed...

BobDog · Post by **BobDog** » Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:50 pm

Ah I just re-read the original post, are you using another MPE controller like a Roli or Linnstrument?

If not then you don't want to use MPE with the Hydrasynth, just turn it off.

escapednb · Post by **escapednb** » Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:05 pm

BobDog wrote: Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:50 pm Ah I just re-read the original post, are you using another MPE controller like a Roli or Linnstrument?

If not then you don't want to use MPE with the Hydrasynth, just turn it off.

Ok so i thought i could use the hydrasynth as a mpe controller for bitwig-synths with the ribbon but i guess it's not possible?

BobDog · Post by **BobDog** » Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:28 pm

No it isn't possible that way.

What you can do though is record the polyphonic aftertouch and the ribbon controller.

escapednb · Post by **escapednb** » Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:12 pm

BobDog wrote: Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:28 pm No it isn't possible that way.

What you can do though is record the polyphonic aftertouch and the ribbon controller.

ok sadly i didn't get the ribbon to work yet. Don't really know what i'm doing wrong. But maybe i need a special controller script as stated above?

escapednb · Post by **escapednb** » Tue Apr 21, 2020 1:03 pm

So i found out MPE does sort of work with the ribbon-controller if you turn it on inside the hydrasynth and if you add it as an seaboard-rise-controller inside bitwig. But only for two octaves regardles of how i set the mpe-pb-range.
But still no other data is being recorded (for the modwheel/filter ect.).
Thats some progress

but not quite there yet

It seems the hydra really would need a dedicated controller-script for bitwig.

BobDog · Post by **BobDog** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 5:27 am

Ah sorry, I did not know the ribbon sent MPE, I have the desktop.

For the filter problem try System->Page 6-> NRPN TX and NRPN RX set to ON.

Maybe that will help with the filter at least!

And

For the mod wheel problem try System->Page 5-> ModWhlTX and ModWhlRX set to ON.

I'm not sure that works with MPE on though, but would with MPE off.

escapednb · Post by **escapednb** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 3:55 pm

Yeah the ribbon-controller and polyphonic aftertouch were a big selling point for me so i'm happy those two are kind of working

I now found out if i add it as seaboard rise and as flexi at the same time, ribbon is working (two octaves max), pitchbend and modwheel are working too. But Macro's and other knobs are not beeing recorded. Same with MPE on or off.
On the Hydra everything else is set to "ON".

You can record filter movement/macros on your desktop version?
Which controller script are you using?

BobDog · Post by **BobDog** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:40 pm

With nrpn turned on on the HS with Live it all works fine, haven't tried in BW as I don't really use it anymore, I can give it a test though...

BobDog · Post by **BobDog** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:50 pm

Ok I gave it a go using a few controller scrippts: roli, linnstrument, toms generic and one i have created and no good at all.

The whole controller script nightmare is one of the reasons I moved away from BW, just let us record midi for gods sake!

Sorry it wasn't of much help for you.

escapednb · Post by **escapednb** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:00 pm

ok so i have to wait till bitwig or asm fixes it i guess. Thank you anyway

Irena · Post by **Irena** » Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:28 pm

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Does this help you?

http://www.mecldata.com/download/asm/Hy ... dendum.pdf (http://www.mecldata.com/download/asm/Hydrasynth_v1.5_Addendum.pdf)

gesslr · Post by **gesslr** » Thu Aug 13, 2020 11:05 am

With the 1.5 update, you could have everything transmit midi cc. As ASM says, you will lose some precision, but that’s only important if it is something that you hear.

Bitwig

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Bitwig + Hydrasynth (MPE & Polyphonic Aftertouch)