Bitwig

SB-SIX · Post by **SB-SIX** » Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:31 pm

Cool, feels nice when people agree

Now lets hope the devs feel this way too...

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:45 pm

I may have missed this earlier in the thread but what is the difference now between volume and gain in the tool? Other than that volume goes to zero. So why is there a gain knob?

antic604 · Post by **antic604** » Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:48 pm

Echoes in the Attic wrote: Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:45 pm I may have missed this earlier in the thread but what is the difference now between volume and gain in the tool? Other than that volume goes to zero. So why is there a gain knob?

That's my understanding of it:

antic604 wrote: Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:06 amWell, this one was a feature request for a long time. Gain is - traditionally in audio - meant to be used for gain staging, i.e. making certain things louder or quieter, whereas Volume is more suitable for automating e.g. fade in / outs, therefore it has to go to -inf dB, whereas Gain is usually within a narrow range

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:19 pm

JHernandez wrote: Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:08 am
irre wrote: Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:27 pm I don't see comping as an essential feature for synth sound or electronic productions. It's a recording feature and for things like recording 5 takes of a drummer and pic the best parts of his timing etc. Not sure if that is really a requirement in a world where we have quantize and generally a more experimental product instead of a traditional recording DAW. But that's just my personal view on it. Also because I barely record something I guess.
It's fair to say plenty of electronic music has vocals. Almost all of the electronic music I listen to has vocals. Comping is very useful for vocals. I can do without, and I am, but I can do faster with good comping. Bitwig is great recording software imo, it has everything it needs to record with any audio interface. It has all the audio routing and set up options I need to record. I use hardware synths, drum machines, samplers, effects processors, ect and I'll likely be getting a modular set up not too far in the future. All of these are addressed within Bitwig with the intention of interfacing with and recording said devices. I'm sure happy doing it. Clearly they thought far beyond in the box EDM (or whatever) or I would not be using Bitwig.

Just another point of view, another opinion.

I would also like comping... I play most of my parts in and comping is handy. I also do some vocal stuff too.

JHernandez · Post by **JHernandez** » Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:58 pm

Trancit wrote: Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:21 am
JHernandez wrote: Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:08 am
irre wrote: Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:27 pm I don't see comping as an essential feature for synth sound or electronic productions. It's a recording feature and for things like recording 5 takes of a drummer and pic the best parts of his timing etc. Not sure if that is really a requirement in a world where we have quantize and generally a more experimental product instead of a traditional recording DAW. But that's just my personal view on it. Also because I barely record something I guess.
It's fair to say plenty of electronic music has vocals. Almost all of the electronic music I listen to has vocals. Comping is very useful for vocals. I can do without, and I am, but I can do faster with good comping. Bitwig is great recording software imo, it has everything it needs to record with any audio interface. It has all the audio routing and set up options I need to record. I use hardware synths, drum machines, samplers, effects processors, ect and I'll likely be getting a modular set up not too far in the future. All of these are addressed within Bitwig with the intention of interfacing with and recording said devices. I'm sure happy doing it. Clearly they thought far beyond in the box EDM (or whatever) or I would not be using Bitwig.

Just another point of view, another opinion.
But In terms of most nowadays electronic music it´s plain wrong...
99% of such music use some splice vocal phrases... no need/respectively no chance of comping there as you got just one take...
Far more interesting for such genres are advanced possibilities for making vocal cuts where Ableton nailed it already years ago with the Simpler update... no feature like this still in Bitwig...

I second the statement of "irre" ... comping in nowadays electronic music is really not essential... helpful for some... yes for sure, but essential for the majority...definetely not...

I didn't say most electronic music has vocals as you seem to be implying (?) I said: "It's fair to say plenty of electronic music has vocals. Almost all of the electronic music I listen to has vocals". I don't know how that can be "wrong".

I think it depends on how you define electronic music. To me: A crap load of Hip Hop, Trip Hop, that Hop the other Hop, Rap, etc is electronic music, Electro-industrial, Industrial, Cold wave is heavily electronic and a lot of acts are fully electronic, plenty of Synthwave/Dreamwave/Darksynth/ect have vocals, Synth-pop, Retrowave, a lot of current pop music is totally electronic aside from the vocals, a lot of "Goth" sub genres are all electronic these days, EBM, Electro pop, Nu disco, Dream pop, Witch house, a lot of New wave, modern Darkwave, a lot of Electro, Minimal wave, this wave that wave all the waves, Alternative R&B/Electronic-R&B, ect.

So yeah, It's fair to say plenty of electronic music has vocals. Yeah sure, if you boil down "electronic music" to just dance music, most of it is instrumental, that's fair to say as well.

krixa · Post by **krixa** » Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:03 pm

When do you guys estimate this will be released as final? My license ends May 21st

antic604 · Post by **antic604** » Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:05 pm

krixa wrote: Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:03 pm When do you guys estimate this will be released as final? My license ends May 21st

They said 2nd quarter, so I'd estimate your chances at 60%. Betas usually take some time

krixa · Post by **krixa** » Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:13 pm

antic604 wrote: Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:05 pm
krixa wrote: Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:03 pm When do you guys estimate this will be released as final? My license ends May 21st
They said 2nd quarter, so I'd estimate your chances at 60%. Betas usually take some time

Fingers crossed! Maybe I missed something, but this update seems mostly be a couple of new devices. Shouldn't take too long to beta test

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:16 pm

krixa wrote: Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:13 pm
antic604 wrote: Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:05 pm
krixa wrote: Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:03 pm When do you guys estimate this will be released as final? My license ends May 21st
They said 2nd quarter, so I'd estimate your chances at 60%. Betas usually take some time
Fingers crossed! Maybe I missed something, but this update seems mostly be a couple of new devices. Shouldn't take too long to beta test

unless lost of people ask them to change things or just add new 'little' things

krixa · Post by **krixa** » Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:37 pm

SLiC wrote: Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:16 pm
krixa wrote: Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:13 pm
antic604 wrote: Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:05 pm
krixa wrote: Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:03 pm When do you guys estimate this will be released as final? My license ends May 21st
They said 2nd quarter, so I'd estimate your chances at 60%. Betas usually take some time
Fingers crossed! Maybe I missed something, but this update seems mostly be a couple of new devices. Shouldn't take too long to beta test
unless lost of people ask them to change things or just add new 'little' things

Of course! Only two "little" things I'd vote for are these that have been suggested already
x Tool: Make "Volume" a fader instead of rotary
x EQ+: Dragging from left in the "red" makes HP curve and dragging from right in the "white" makes LP curve

And my own suggestion for EQ+ is when hitting "disable" on a band the curve should (instead of jumping back to flat line) be faded/uncolorized but still show the curve. So that it's visible what kind of adjustments a specific band is set to but still could be toggled on/off.

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:26 pm

We need a list on another thread

stamp · Post by **stamp** » Tue Apr 21, 2020 5:17 pm

Why the heck is the speed of the spectrum analyzer now stepped instead of freely settable like before?

bolba · Post by **bolba** » Tue Apr 21, 2020 5:56 pm

krixa wrote: Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:37 pm Of course! Only two "little" things I'd vote for are these that have been suggested already
x Tool: Make "Volume" a fader instead of rotary
x EQ+: Dragging from left in the "red" makes HP curve and dragging from right in the "white" makes LP curve

And my own suggestion for EQ+ is when hitting "disable" on a band the curve should (instead of jumping back to flat line) be faded/uncolorized but still show the curve. So that it's visible what kind of adjustments a specific band is set to but still could be toggled on/off.

This one seems soooo elegant in old "Bitwig way" of doing things. Hope devs will implement it.

antic604 · Post by **antic604** » Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:01 pm

bolba wrote: Tue Apr 21, 2020 5:56 pmThis one seems soooo elegant in old "Bitwig way" of doing things. Hope devs will implement it.

That's the Pro-Q way

ChrisDW · Post by **ChrisDW** » Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:07 pm

SLiC wrote: Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:26 pm We need a list on another thread

This survey from Image Line (FL Studio) was emailed out to users this week. Just a portion of it is displayed below:

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Bitwig

KVR Audio

3.2 (Beta 1) is OUT!!!