Vember Audio Surge is now open-source

[Jorgeelalto]

Can the VST3 version replace the VST2 version properly in existing projects already (VST3 version can load with same settings as VST2)?

I don't know if any DAWs can do this, even though the internal format surge uses is the same. But we aren't discontinuing the VST2 (nor could we. You have the files!). We are just trying to get everyone to use the VST3 going forward.

So you would recommend to use vst3 over vst2? Surge would be my first vst3. Don't know why but I'm still hesitate to use vst3.

Yeah, and zoom does weird stuff in VST2, apart from the fact that VST2 is officially deprecated by Steinberg.

[baconpaul]

Surge makes a lot of fun, love the latch function to build up drones. Thanks for all the time and work put into this project. Anyway, I wonder if there is a way to change the colors of the UI?

We are working on that right now - the nightly has an alpha skin engine and we have an alpha dark mode. Not ready for general use yet but will be in good time

[baconpaul]

So you would recommend to use vst3 over vst2? Surge would be my first vst3. Don't know why but I'm still hesitate to use vst3.

Absolutely. Aside from the fact that Steinberg has completely killed vst2 for new devs and you can’t get the code and so forth, the vst3 has proper support for zoom, is properly licensed for open source software and more.

[Autobot]

Surge makes a lot of fun, love the latch function to build up drones. Thanks for all the time and work put into this project. Anyway, I wonder if there is a way to change the colors of the UI?

We are working on that right now - the nightly has an alpha skin engine and we have an alpha dark mode. Not ready for general use yet but will be in good time

Wow. Just tested the nightly build and the dark skin. I'm impressed. Fabulous! Thanks. Can't wait for the official release.

So you would recommend to use vst3 over vst2? Surge would be my first vst3. Don't know why but I'm still hesitate to use vst3.

Absolutely. Aside from the fact that Steinberg has completely killed vst2 for new devs and you can’t get the code and so forth, the vst3 has proper support for zoom, is properly licensed for open source software and more.

Okay. Thanks.

[Dandruff]

Oh cool I’ll try with REAPER and see how it works out!

What are your findings?

[baconpaul]

Oh cool I’ll try with REAPER and see how it works out!

What are your findings?

i didn't see a way to naturally sub a vst3 for an existing vst2 in an existing project either. But I'm not a REAPER expert.

[Dandruff]

Ok, maybe some REAPER guys here? There was something added for this in one pre-release in the past. Just can't find the thread ...

[Autobot]

I was programming today some percussion presets for Surge but couldn't find a way to adjust the phase of a waveform. For example to give a kick a more click-y sound. Did I oversaw something or it's simply not there? Could it implemented at some point?

[baconpaul]

I was programming today some percussion presets for Surge but couldn't find a way to adjust the phase of a waveform. For example to give a kick a more click-y sound. Did I oversaw something or it's simply not there? Could it implemented at some point?

It is not there. It is frequently requested. To do it requires us to make a couple of fundamental changes (basically making it so we can add parameters both in the internal data structures and the UI). The nightly has the data structure change and I am pushing towards the UI change now.

https://github.com/surge-synthesizer/surge/issues/867

That’s the first time it was requested in github. If you subscribe to that issue you’ll see when the nightly gets it. Agree it would be a useful thing to add, at least for the wavetable and classic oscillators. (The phase control would also interact with unison phasing of course)

[evilantal]

Ok, maybe some REAPER guys here? There was something added for this in one pre-release in the past. Just can't find the thread ...

If you have both the VST2 and VST3 installed, maybe try with right click on VSTi insert and "Replace FX"?

[Tj Shredder]

I was programming today some percussion presets for Surge but couldn't find a way to adjust the phase of a waveform. For example to give a kick a more click-y sound. Did I oversaw something or it's simply not there? Could it implemented at some point?

As Surge is a wavetable synth, you could use a wavetable with a sine/waveform that has an offset...

[EvilDragon]

Ok, maybe some REAPER guys here? There was something added for this in one pre-release in the past. Just can't find the thread ...

If you have both the VST2 and VST3 installed, maybe try with right click on VSTi insert and "Replace FX"?

Nope that would also replace the plugin chunk.

What migth work is manually renaming which plugin gets used in .rpp, this would retain the plugin chunk but try to load VST3 instead of VST2. Worth a shot.


EDIT: Nope, it doesn't work. I have saved a Reaper project with VST2 and VST3 loaded with the exact same preset, the plugin chunk is different between the two.

[Dandruff]

I've created a thread in the REAPER forums: https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=234177

[Echoes in the Attic]

I'm using Surge VST3 in Bitwig (Windows 10) and finding that the GUI zoom level is not maintained when I open the plugin again. Even when I save it as default preset after changing the zoom level. Is this a know issue?

[planetearth]

I'm using Surge VST3 in Bitwig (Windows 10) and finding that the GUI zoom level is not maintained when I open the plugin again. Even when I save it as default preset after changing the zoom level. Is this a know issue?

Are you using the Menu option "Set default zoom to..."? If not, try that. It seems to work where other zoom options fail.

You won't see the zoom level change when you enter the value; you'll have to close Surge and re-open it before you see a change. But this has worked for me where the other zoom options had problems.

Steve