Waveform 11.0.32 Public Beta Available

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Hi all, Waveform 11.0.32 should now be available for download in your tracktion.com downloads area under the "BETA" button.

There's some minor fixes but the main new thing here is a first beta version of some new audio engine reworking I've been doing which starts by improving the way Racks are processed internally.
This should have two effects:
1. When using a Rack connecting plugins which have different latencies, these should now be correctly balanced. This means that in theory any internal Rack configuration should not affect alignment of the source material going through it.
2. Rack latency is now reported more accurately better. If you click the "resource monitor" icon in the top right, you should see the latency for a Rack now more closely corresponds to the plugins it contains.


What this doesn't cover:
Any PDC or latency outside of the Rack. Any latency introduced by using multiple Racks on different tracks or send/return plugins isn't affected by this update. This is just the first step towards fixing those problems.

If you want to try out the new Rack processing, you'll need to enable the feature.
Open Waveform and go to the "General Behaviour" settings page.
At the bottom of this list enable the "Enable experimental Rack processing" option.
You can use this to turn the feature on/off which should be useful to compare for changes.

In theory, everything should sound the same but be better aligned. Hopefully everything still works as it used to but there's lots to test with Racks including automation, Modifiers, Macros etc. so I'm sending this out early with the ability to turn it on/off for those willing to give it a go.

If you find anything not working as it used to let me know either here or in a new thread.

Here's the rest of the change list:

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11.0.32:
- Racks:            [Experimental] Fixed a crash on Windows when playing
- Racks:            [Experimental] Fixed a problem where some internal plugins wouldn't be correctly disabled

11.0.31:
- Sandboxing:       Enabled plugin sandboxing by default (you can disable this from the Plugins settings page)
- Racks:            Enabled an experimental Rack processing setting in the "General Behaviour" page that imporves PDC for Rack internals
- Submix Tracks:    Fixed a problem where tracks inside submix tracks could also be routed to other tracks
- Submix Tracks:    Ensured track destination UI is disabled when tracks can't be sent to other destinations
- Submix Tracks:    Enabled submix tracks to be routed to other audio tracks
- Submix Tracks:    Fixed a problem indirectly soloing submix tracks if they're routed to other audio tracks

11.0.30:
- Clips:            Fixed a crash dragging collection clips
- Archiving:        Fixed a crash archiving projects

11.0.29:
- Multi Sampler:    Fixed a crash dragging samples from the sound layers panel to the scratch pad

11.0.28:
- ClipFX:           Fixed an issue where automation wouldn't get applied if global automation read was disabled
- Racks:            Ensured multi-track Racks include track source material from all tracks when soloed

11.0.27:
- Engine:           Fixed some rare crashes with certain input configurations
- Racks:            Fixed a crash loading a Rack with missing plugins

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Hi,
Crash with Experimental Rack
My preset three 4OSC and Kontact 6
+ sandbox, but completely shuts off the waveform
thanks
Orion, Bitwig, Tracktion, Mixbus :party: :tu: :clap:
Win 10, intel i7, ram 20 steinberg UR22mkII :wink:

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My hope hasen't com true that with the next beta Waveform will not listen to incomming MIDI clock that is comming from (novation) keybord-controller. This makes all arpeggiator stuff useless - for me.
so sad.
horst

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midklang wrote: Tue May 19, 2020 8:55 am My hope hasen't com true that with the next beta Waveform will not listen to incomming MIDI clock that is comming from (novation) keybord-controller. This makes all arpeggiator stuff useless - for me.
so sad.
horst
Waveform does respond to MIDI timecode. If you click the menu button in the Edit then "Timecode" and then "MIDI Timecode Input device" you should be able to select your input device.

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imstre wrote: Tue May 19, 2020 7:50 am Hi,
Crash with Experimental Rack
My preset three 4OSC and Kontact 6
+ sandbox, but completely shuts off the waveform
thanks
Thanks, I'll try and check the crash logs for this. Would you be able to upload the tracktionedit file or Rack preset for us to test with please?

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MIDI timecode.
No timecode problem. Launchkey is sending a permanent MIDI clock signal. If I put a MIDI monitor to a track in Waveform, I can see this clock signal.
If I put the same MIDI monitor to a track using reaper or Ableton live, no clock signal is displayed.
I have reported the issue earlier in the forum and support.
horst

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dRowAudio wrote: Tue May 19, 2020 9:58 am
imstre wrote: Tue May 19, 2020 7:50 am Hi,
Crash with Experimental Rack
My preset three 4OSC and Kontact 6
+ sandbox, but completely shuts off the waveform
thanks
Thanks, I'll try and check the crash logs for this. Would you be able to upload the tracktionedit file or Rack preset for us to test with please?
Ok, what email to send because the file here is too large?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_aKsnf ... sp=sharing
Last edited by imstre on Tue May 19, 2020 2:36 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Orion, Bitwig, Tracktion, Mixbus :party: :tu: :clap:
Win 10, intel i7, ram 20 steinberg UR22mkII :wink:

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- Sandboxing: Enabled plugin sandboxing by default (you can disable this from the Plugins settings page)
With enabled Sandbox:
Opening VST Gui of a clip fx will crash Waveform. Tested with several plugins including Tracktion Essential Series. All VST are going to crash Waveform. VST Gui flickers for a second, then Tracktion closes, with a message saying "audio engine crashed". Win 10

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- Submix Tracks: Fixed a problem where tracks inside submix tracks could also be routed to other tracks
Dropping a plugin on a folder (by accident) will turn it into a submix, which results in deleting all existing track routings. Isn't that a dangerous approach?
(Even removing the vst afterwards will leave folders as a submix.)

Tracktion was designed this way years ago, but I hope you consider a new/better submix still.

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astey wrote: Tue May 19, 2020 1:00 pm
- Sandboxing: Enabled plugin sandboxing by default (you can disable this from the Plugins settings page)
With enabled Sandbox:
Opening VST Gui of a clip fx will crash Waveform. Tested with several plugins including Tracktion Essential Series. All VST are going to crash Waveform. VST Gui flickers for a second, then Tracktion closes, with a message saying "audio engine crashed". Win 10
Thanks, will get that fixed in the next version.

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astey wrote: Tue May 19, 2020 1:22 pm
- Submix Tracks: Fixed a problem where tracks inside submix tracks could also be routed to other tracks
Dropping a plugin on a folder (by accident) will turn it into a submix, which results in deleting all existing track routings. Isn't that a dangerous approach?
(Even removing the vst afterwards will leave folders as a submix.)

Tracktion was designed this way years ago, but I hope you consider a new/better submix still.
I don't think so, if you remove the plugin it will go back to a folder track and the routings it had before will still be there. Looks like there is a small bug when you have to adjust the track height or scroll up/down for the track destination blocks to update though.

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imstre wrote: Tue May 19, 2020 12:23 pm
dRowAudio wrote: Tue May 19, 2020 9:58 am
imstre wrote: Tue May 19, 2020 7:50 am Hi,
Crash with Experimental Rack
My preset three 4OSC and Kontact 6
+ sandbox, but completely shuts off the waveform
thanks
Thanks, I'll try and check the crash logs for this. Would you be able to upload the tracktionedit file or Rack preset for us to test with please?
Ok, what email to send because the file here is too large?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_aKsnf ... sp=sharing
Ok, thanks for this, I think it's because Kontakt has 64 channels and I hadn't tested a plugin with that many. This should be fixed in the next release.

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dRowAudio wrote: Tue May 19, 2020 3:14 pm
With enabled Sandbox:
Opening VST Gui of a clip fx will crash Waveform. Tested with several plugins including Tracktion Essential Series. All VST are going to crash Waveform. VST Gui flickers for a second, then Tracktion closes, with a message saying "audio engine crashed". Win 10

Thanks, will get that fixed in the next version.
Cool ! Thank you
I don't think so, if you remove the plugin it will go back to a folder track and the routings it had before will still be there. Looks like there is a small bug when you have to adjust the track height or scroll up/down for the track destination blocks to update though.
I was experiencing this, thinking every output would be reset.

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- Submix Tracks: Fixed a problem indirectly soloing submix tracks if they're routed to other audio tracks
- Soloing within folders & submixes doesn't work for me anymore. All other solos of a folders are going to flash, while all tracks are still playing back - So, nothing gets solo'd .
- Mute works as expected.

Window 10

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Improvement/bug?: Retrospective Recording - Midi Grid offset:

Playing midi and then hit retrospective recording will record midi notes after they are played.
Editing those notes wont snap to the main Grid by using the cursor.

Demo Video [Dropbox]
https://www.dropbox.com/s/fsap4rqyopncj ... 9.mp4?dl=0

Repro:
  1. Create new project
  2. play some midi notes by using an external midi controller (best without click)
  3. apply retrospective recording
  4. select some midi notes of created clip
  5. try to move them on the grid
-> There will always be an offset/shift, depending on how notes were recorded by retrospective recording. Notes won't snap to the real grid.

=> user need to manually type the clip position first to be able to snap to the grid. It could be beneficial, if retrospective clips would have a starting position "xx,x,000". Then snapping via cursor would work right out of the box.

(quantize via menu snaps to the grid right away)

Windows 10
Cheers

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