Upcoming Synapse OB-Xa: Obsession
- addled muppet weed
- 111278 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
mpe discussions, as exciting as they are, are not this...
- addled muppet weed
- 111278 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
id forgotten how much roth looks like buffalo bill from the penis tuck scene in silence of the lambs.
- KVRAF
- 2747 posts since 28 Feb, 2015
I shortened your text, just wanted to say thanks. Very well explained! I think that I might have a look at a keyboard with maybe 2 octaves or something, I will never (probably) be able to play, two-handedly, in that regard, but it certainly seems fun to play with. And if I can edit expressions note for note, afterwards, of what I play with one hand, it seems like a nice investment.Echoes in the Attic wrote: Fri May 22, 2020 2:29 pmYes you could accomplish the same thing technically in a DAW, however it would be extremely cumbersome. You would need to create a duplicate instrument track for each voice that is played simultaneously so that you can do pitch bend or other expressions (like mod wheel or other midi cc) for only that specific note at a time. For example in the first few seconds you can see that he does vibrato on one note while holding other notes that do not to vibrato. It would sound much different and less pleasing if vibrato were applied to all notes there. So yes you could set it up in a DAW that way but then of course you would need to play or write each note separately. Imagine recording guitar parts where you could only record one string at a time as opposed to playing chords...starflakeprj wrote: Fri May 22, 2020 1:57 pmI have never really understood the greatness in MPE, but it could be because I don't really understand how I could gain from it.Echoes in the Attic wrote: Fri May 22, 2020 12:16 pmIn the first 10 seconds of this videos, he's already done things that you can't do in a split keyboard non-MPE setup on a "5D" controller. Examples like these are all over youtube. Again - Willful ignorance.
In this linked above, can you still accomplish the same sound "manually" in your DAW? What I'm asking specifically is, if MPE is mostly for playing live? In that case it's not for me![]()
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Echoes in the Attic Echoes in the Attic https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=180417
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 12021 posts since 12 May, 2008
No problem. And you don't really need to be a good player to make use of it. You could play just two fingers, doing independent bending and expressions with each, and be able to move those two fingers anywhere on the keyboard, so already that's stuff you couldn't do with a keyboard split.starflakeprj wrote: Fri May 22, 2020 5:26 pmI shortened your text, just wanted to say thanks. Very well explained! I think that I might have a look at a keyboard with maybe 2 octaves or something, I will never (probably) be able to play, two-handedly, in that regard, but it certainly seems fun to play with. And if I can edit expressions note for note, afterwards, of what I play with one hand, it seems like a nice investment.Echoes in the Attic wrote: Fri May 22, 2020 2:29 pmYes you could accomplish the same thing technically in a DAW, however it would be extremely cumbersome. You would need to create a duplicate instrument track for each voice that is played simultaneously so that you can do pitch bend or other expressions (like mod wheel or other midi cc) for only that specific note at a time. For example in the first few seconds you can see that he does vibrato on one note while holding other notes that do not to vibrato. It would sound much different and less pleasing if vibrato were applied to all notes there. So yes you could set it up in a DAW that way but then of course you would need to play or write each note separately. Imagine recording guitar parts where you could only record one string at a time as opposed to playing chords...starflakeprj wrote: Fri May 22, 2020 1:57 pmI have never really understood the greatness in MPE, but it could be because I don't really understand how I could gain from it.Echoes in the Attic wrote: Fri May 22, 2020 12:16 pmIn the first 10 seconds of this videos, he's already done things that you can't do in a split keyboard non-MPE setup on a "5D" controller. Examples like these are all over youtube. Again - Willful ignorance.
In this linked above, can you still accomplish the same sound "manually" in your DAW? What I'm asking specifically is, if MPE is mostly for playing live? In that case it's not for me![]()
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- KVRist
- 315 posts since 4 May, 2019
I generally map amplitude to pressure. This enables me to control the attack, release and volume of each note in a chord independently as I play it. More of a stringed instrument effect than a percussive attack... you can improvise string quartets with crescendo, decreshendo, vibrato, etc. once you start using it with polyphonic material you can’t believe the depth you can get out of even a simple 1 osc no frills sound.
I am very excited to see what this synth can do with MPE expressivity. There are very few good implementations and this looks promising.
I am very excited to see what this synth can do with MPE expressivity. There are very few good implementations and this looks promising.
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- addled muppet weed
- 111278 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
go ahead and...
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Echoes in the Attic Echoes in the Attic https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=180417
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 12021 posts since 12 May, 2008
According to BONES this is not of any use.Noumena wrote: Fri May 22, 2020 5:41 pm I generally map amplitude to pressure. This enables me to control the attack, release and volume of each note in a chord independently as I play it. More of a stringed instrument effect than a percussive attack... you can improvise string quartets with crescendo, decreshendo, vibrato, etc. once you start using it with polyphonic material you can’t believe the depth you can get out of even a simple 1 osc no frills sound.
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Funkybot's Evil Twin Funkybot's Evil Twin https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=116627
- KVRAF
- 12446 posts since 16 Aug, 2006
I believe you got that backwards.vurt wrote: Fri May 22, 2020 4:52 pm id forgotten how much roth looks like buffalo bill from the penis tuck scene in silence of the lambs.
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- KVRAF
- 5664 posts since 7 Feb, 2013
What on Earth is happening in this thread?
You may think you can fly ... but you better not try
- addled muppet weed
- 111278 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
well yes, depending how youre travelling through the tempus.Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote: Fri May 22, 2020 5:50 pmI believe you got that backwards.vurt wrote: Fri May 22, 2020 4:52 pm id forgotten how much roth looks like buffalo bill from the penis tuck scene in silence of the lambs.![]()
but, i meant i hadnt seen him for longer, silence of the lambs on the other hand is a romantic night in for me n the missus
- addled muppet weed
- 111278 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
- addled muppet weed
- 111278 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
sorry, dont think its an ob, but it is david lee roth...
- Banned
- 3564 posts since 22 Aug, 2019
Regarding the BP filter: since there is not only a cutoff frequency, but also an open-up frequency so to speak, should there not be two knobs for setting the frequency range to pass? And eventually also two resonance knobs for stressing those two frequencies? 
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- KVRAF
- 4234 posts since 1 Sep, 2016
It has now become the 'post any old shite' thread.
- addled muppet weed
- 111278 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
not really, it was relevant.Vortifex wrote: Fri May 22, 2020 6:25 pmIt has now become the 'post any old shite' thread.
it didnt just come from nowhere.
jump/roth/buffalo bill.
i dont know what to say if you dont see it?
sorry if a fake murderer tucking his junk offended
