Bargain Center: discussion, gossip, etc.

[Vintage73]

Hey does SWAM ever do sales on its solo libraries?
Might as well mention that I'm willing to buy a second hand key if someone has one for sale.
thanks

They did have a great 20%-off sale recently and I picked up their violin, but AD and JrrShop have pretty good regular deals on SWAM instruments compared to AM's webshop:

https://www.audiodeluxe.com/search/site/swam

https://www.jrrshop.com/catalogsearch/r ... e&dir=desc

I cannot believe the realism of this violin. I mean, with my Sensel Morph, it sounds exactly as if I were to pick up and play a physical violin with my experience level! (absolutely none )

[Vintage73]

Oh, and I don't like some of the changes in Cubase 10.5.

I loved Cubase until version 7 happened, then it was like learning a new DAW. Steinberg has a long history of doing things like that.

I loved most of the changes up to and including 10 even though a lot of them were UI changes and took some getting used to where things moved, I seem to need to unplug and re-plug in my Sensel Morph (and used to need to do the same with my Roli Seaboard) every time I make a setting change in its control panel. I could swear v10 had a menu item for refreshing MIDI or somesuch. If it's still there I am just blind, but I couldn't find anything in the manual, either. Again, it could be that I just cannot brain, but I did at least look.

[monomox]

JRR shop has the BFD3 upgrade from BFD Eco at a really reasonable price. I would like to program realistic sounding jazz drums. I was thinking of buying the upgrade for that, but FXpansion has this whole abandonware vibe. BFD3 is close to 7 years old now! I am not sure this is such a good deal.

Are people still using BFD3 and happy with it?

A few months ago I cautioned a potential buyer against it. Last night I had a lot of fun with it. It's a complex plugin and not "plug and play".

I contacted their customer support once and they were quick and helpful.

FXpansion was bought by Roli (AFAIK) and since then BFD3 is not getting any love. But I haven't had any technical issues.

There's an eternal debate about whether Superior Drummer or BFD3 is better. However, I would've had to spend three times as much to get as many kits in SD as I have in BFD3 because there's just not a second hand market for SD.

But then, there's that ridiculous $50 fee to transfer stuff (and of course, ways around it).

I used to dislike Drumica and Addictive Drums and now I like them. I think it's a question of getting to learn each plugin and our willingness to work with them. We're accustomed to jumping from one plugin to the next hoping that's "the one" but that doesn't work.

Thanks! Do you have to understand how to mix real drums to get good results with BFD3?? The amount of control within the plugin seems intimidating.

Whoever tries to sell you "mix-ready" anything is trying to sell you snake oil. How to mix your drums depends on your intention and the rest of the mix. GGD's Invasion was the last library I got still thinking it would sound good "right out of the box." I hated it at first, then embraced it once I realized no one was going to do the work I'm supposed to do. YouTube, Lynda, Groove3, spend some time (and maybe money) learning how to mix. That's going to save you time and money on the long run. Chances are you already have the plugins or libraries you need.

At first things will sound like s**t and you'll get frustrated. Don't worry, that's how it was for all of us.

I guess that's why I'm liking libraries and plugins I used to dislike: because I know how to mix a little better now.

[Ou_Tis]

JRR shop has the BFD3 upgrade from BFD Eco at a really reasonable price. I would like to program realistic sounding jazz drums. I was thinking of buying the upgrade for that, but FXpansion has this whole abandonware vibe. BFD3 is close to 7 years old now! I am not sure this is such a good deal.

Are people still using BFD3 and happy with it?

FXpansion was bought by Roli (AFAIK) and since then BFD3 is not getting any love.

Incidentally, FXpansion recently added drums to Cypher2 (or at least I noticed the addition recently) and Roli released Roli Studio Drums. Don't know if they used anything from BFD for those, or whether they could contribute to BFD4. They might favor Roli 5D MPE (Seaboard / Lightpad) compatible releases from now on.

[Ploki]

JRR shop has the BFD3 upgrade from BFD Eco at a really reasonable price. I would like to program realistic sounding jazz drums. I was thinking of buying the upgrade for that, but FXpansion has this whole abandonware vibe. BFD3 is close to 7 years old now! I am not sure this is such a good deal.

Are people still using BFD3 and happy with it?

FXpansion was bought by Roli (AFAIK) and since then BFD3 is not getting any love.

Incidentally, FXpansion recently added drums to Cypher2 (or at least I noticed the addition recently) and Roli released Roli Studio Drums. Don't know if they used anything from BFD for those, or whether they could contribute to BFD4. They might favor Roli 5D MPE (Seaboard / Lightpad) compatible releases from now on.

BFD was sold to another company, its not under ROLI anymore

[yellowmix]

BFD was sold to InMusic. However, this is a good deal to get in and pretty sure my license will transferred to InMusic (or whatever brand it'll be under) when they finish the transition. Hopefully BFD gets significant updates or perhaps a version 4 now that the team can concentrate on it. BFD got a major upgrade at the end of 2019 with 3.3 and minor updates/bugfixes up until the news was announced.

As for "mix-ready", I find that Addictive Drums has many presets that get you pretty close and if you're on deadlines it's pretty handy. I need to do a lot more mixing with BFD. That's not a bad thing, I enjoy the control. The breadth and depth of kits available to BFD is astounding as well.

[Hans25]

JRR shop has the BFD3 upgrade from BFD Eco at a really reasonable price. I would like to program realistic sounding jazz drums. I was thinking of buying the upgrade for that, but FXpansion has this whole abandonware vibe. BFD3 is close to 7 years old now! I am not sure this is such a good deal.

Are people still using BFD3 and happy with it?

Abandonware is a pretty accurate term. I purchased Tremor and found several bugs that I reported to tech support that promised there would be an update. I think that's 5 years ago and there hasn't even been a hotfix.

On their website they now proudly state that: "Tremor is now discontinued and is no longer maintained."

I will never purchase as much as a preset collection from them.

[Hans25]

Am I the only one that thinks preset sales shouldn't be a part of the "Bargains only chat"?

How big interest can anyone have in looking at the same preset collections being on sale again and again to save $2? The size of a preset sale post is often as big as the posts from big retail sellers of audiosoftware. You always have to scroll a lot to see the "real" offers.

[ralfrobert]

Am I the only one that thinks preset sales shouldn't be a part of the "Bargains only chat"?

How big interest can anyone have in looking at the same preset collections being on sale again and again to save $2? The size of a preset sale post is often as big as the posts from big retail sellers of audiosoftware. You always have to scroll a lot to see the "real" offers.

+1

I think this should go to a separate area.

[Buckster]

^^ +1 agreed

Same for skins too IMO

[Kypresso]

Am I the only one that thinks preset sales shouldn't be a part of the "Bargains only chat"?

How big interest can anyone have in looking at the same preset collections being on sale again and again to save $2? The size of a preset sale post is often as big as the posts from big retail sellers of audiosoftware. You always have to scroll a lot to see the "real" offers.

Ever heard the saying "One mans meat is another mans poison" ?

[Hans25]

Am I the only one that thinks preset sales shouldn't be a part of the "Bargains only chat"?

How big interest can anyone have in looking at the same preset collections being on sale again and again to save $2? The size of a preset sale post is often as big as the posts from big retail sellers of audiosoftware. You always have to scroll a lot to see the "real" offers.

Ever heard the saying "One mans meat is another mans poison" ?

No - but I really don't think that the average KVR-member looks for preset sales in the Bargains only no chat area. I could be wrong that's why I raise the issue. But it will surprise med if there are many supporters of preset sales.

[yehboy1]

Literally no one in this thread ever says "Whoa [such and such] preset pack is on sale in the No Chat thread! Who else is getting one?!" It's past time they separate the No Chat thread from the preset ones.

[frackermak]

Am I the only one that thinks preset sales shouldn't be a part of the "Bargains only chat"?

How big interest can anyone have in looking at the same preset collections being on sale again and again to save $2? The size of a preset sale post is often as big as the posts from big retail sellers of audiosoftware. You always have to scroll a lot to see the "real" offers.

Ever heard the saying "One mans meat is another mans poison" ?

Yes.
Still...
Move the preset ads pls.

[shidostrife]

+1 to separate the preset deals

It can be a new no chat preset only thread here, or even better, in the soundware forum where they fit better. But really, as long as it's not in the main no chat thread, I'll be satisfied.