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gentleclockdivider · Post by **gentleclockdivider** » Wed May 27, 2020 9:05 pm

Yes it's a purist plugin , it emulates a tb 303 sans distortion/overdrive , and does it with flying colours .
Funny how you talk about old school acid yet complain abl3 doesnt' have added features , because that is exactly what it is , pure 303 and no effin distortion
old skool acid

and if you want distortion , there is plenty of freeware stuff available or not so free , Cytomic the scream

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-q1MMx9fwDQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sS5DCvlKI8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcZg6KKm2lI

clipnotic · Post by **clipnotic** » Wed May 27, 2020 9:13 pm

gentleclockdivider wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 9:05 pm Yes it's a purist plugin , it emulates a tb 303 sans distortion/overdrive , and does it with flying colours .
Funny how you talk about old school acid yet complain abl3 doesnt' have added features , because that is exactly what it is , pure 303 and no effin distortion
old skool acid and if you want distortion , there is plenty of freeware stuff available or not so free , Cytomic the scream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-q1MMx9fwDQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sS5DCvlKI8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcZg6KKm2lI

LOL, okay for such tracks you can use ABL3! But not every "classic" track, is a good classic track!

EDIT:
But your tracks are very good examples to present that ABL3 plugin!

Stefken · Post by **Stefken** » Wed May 27, 2020 9:45 pm

clipnotic wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 8:55 pm but it's boring to work with it

I tend to agree. I'm missing some of that Acid Vibe and Soul. They may have been obsessive about getting the sound just like the original (I ll take their word for it) but I'm missing some heart.

The Roland vst is just more musical and fun for me.
Something that strikes me in general with regard to Roland products. They are very much geared towards err... making music. Which seems like a great thing for a musical instrument.

clipnotic · Post by **clipnotic** » Thu May 28, 2020 7:41 am

Stefken wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 9:45 pm
clipnotic wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 8:55 pm but it's boring to work with it
I tend to agree. I'm missing some of that Acid Vibe and Soul. They may have been obsessive about getting the sound just like the original (I ll take their word for it) but I'm missing some heart.

The Roland vst is just more musical and fun for me.
Something that strikes me in general with regard to Roland products. They are very much geared towards err... making music. Which seems like a great thing for a musical instrument.

Yes and it's also hard to find "sweet spots", which is hearable in the presets, too. And something is with the sequencer I can't explain.

Using "purists" plugins is like working with the old hardware machines. To get them sounding great, you have to use additional tools. And especially in the VST world first you have to test hundreds of them, to find the next "purists" plugin again. I did this 20 years ago, but I wont do this again.

I don't have the Roland VST and ignored their plugins, because I don't like clouds, but meanwhile it seems possible to buy lifetime licenses and I'll try them, too.

gentleclockdivider · Post by **gentleclockdivider** » Thu May 28, 2020 8:53 am

Well let just quote the developer of audio realism "Mike Janney ''

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The cloud 303 is not bad at all but the accents do not appear to build up as they do on a real 303. The differences are miniscule though.

end quote

Stefken · Post by **Stefken** » Thu May 28, 2020 10:17 am

clipnotic wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 7:41 am Using "purists" plugins is like working with the old hardware machines.

I don't have the Roland VST and ignored their plugins, because I don't like clouds, but meanwhile it seems possible to buy lifetime licenses and I'll try them, too.

Well, what gives the Roland vst it's edge are actually the extra features for me.

tb-303.jpg

* The sequencer gives you an easy overview of the sequence, aspecially the all important slides (which is pretty impossible on the original). You can also tweak the sequence while it's running (also not possible on the original).

* The extra playmodes are nice. I aspecially like the "invert" option that can create some happy accidents/surprises.

* And the hidden panel gives you a bunch of extra sound options, as distortion, vcf trim etc.

* The sound is also important of course. I think they pretty much nailed the spirit of the sound, as with their other plugins. It sounds a *bit* different than the original. I guess it can be more squelchy. That's not a bad thing.

* The first sound preset is the distorted square and that's my favorite acid flavour. I always seek out that flavour on my TD-3. Again, that's the musical orientation that I like in the Roland products.
You immediately get that distorted square sound, mess about with the sequencer and you've got something going in a short time. I don't have that hands-on experience with the ABL. It's all more tedious and less user friendly.

* I don't like subscriptions either. I have mainly been using it as a sequencer tool until now, and opted for hardware for the sound source. But you can buy the Roland TB-303 now.

Tannaliini · Post by **Tannaliini** » Sat May 30, 2020 3:42 pm

When talking about 303, I think first time I really noticed it was at M.R - Get To France + M.R -Listen to your heart + red5 - I love You stop tracks. I didn't know the name of that sound, so I just called it "angry didgeridoo"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQt8WDR5mtQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pC0oYZWMjM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i_cFdqjb5M

But yes, that sound was so amazingly interesting and "powerful". I just fell in love it that sound right away. Not sure if I could really use it very much/know how to use it in my own works. So that's why I would not get a synth dedicated JUST for 303 (even though I love the sound).

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sat May 30, 2020 3:49 pm

I hope Roland has some sales from time to time. It's nice that they opened their plugins for permanent licensing, but, they're really pricey... 99 € for a TB-303 emu would already be plenty.

Stefken · Post by **Stefken** » Sat May 30, 2020 3:51 pm

It can be an angry didgeridoo

but it can also be master bleep. Quite a bit different tonalities are possible.

Carbon Based Lifeforms even uses it in their ambient tracks so it also works just fine in low bpm.

Tannaliini · Post by **Tannaliini** » Sat May 30, 2020 4:28 pm

Stefken wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 3:51 pm It can be an angry didgeridoo but it can also be master bleep. Quite a bit different tonalities are possible.

Carbon Based Lifeforms even uses it in their ambient tracks so it also works just fine in low bpm.

Low bpm? I have heard rumors about something like that, but I doubt they can be real...

Stefken · Post by **Stefken** » Sat May 30, 2020 4:31 pm

Well, the rumours have been confirmed buddy. It IS real.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sat May 30, 2020 4:39 pm

Stefken wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 3:51 pm It can be an angry didgeridoo but it can also be master bleep. Quite a bit different tonalities are possible.

Carbon Based Lifeforms even uses it in their ambient tracks so it also works just fine in low bpm.

Yeah, I listened to a track on DI.FM Atmospheric Breaks a couple of days ago which had a very nice 303 part in it. I wouldn't use it in every track, but, there's certainly some use cases, even in downtempo music. I think CBL overdo it a bit though. I'm not a big fan of them in general though.

Stefken · Post by **Stefken** » Sat May 30, 2020 4:41 pm

CBL do an excellent bath mix. That's my main use case for their music.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sat May 30, 2020 4:44 pm

teilo · Post by **teilo** » Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:24 pm

Since nobody has mentioned it, check out Rob Papen BIT with the 24dB LP Z filter.

Best for 303: Serum? Ana2? Pigments2?