1 filter enough (as in Serum)?

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vitocorleone123
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608 posts since 30 Jun, 2014 from Pacific NW

Post Wed Jun 03, 2020 3:26 pm

My Ob-6 has one filter and still somehow manages to sound pretty decent.

When I want more filters at once, I use multiple synths, or Omnisphere.

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gentleclockdivider
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2850 posts since 22 Mar, 2009 from gent

Re: 1 filter enough (as in Serum)?

Post Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:07 am

clipnotic wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 3:18 pm
For that I use an EQ, but that lasagna recipe sounds very interesting! :D
An eq processes stereo signals , a polyphonic filter processes each voice .
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Tannaliini
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Re: 1 filter enough (as in Serum)?

Post Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:37 am

So the only way to get "2filter" with Serum, is to use 2 separate Serums (I know there is the filter in the effects section, but it is only for global - can't be restricted for 1 osc)?

focusrite
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395 posts since 20 Aug, 2010

Re: 1 filter enough (as in Serum)?

Post Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:25 am

Tannaliini wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:37 am
So the only way to get "2filter" with Serum, is to use 2 separate Serums (I know there is the filter in the effects section, but it is only for global - can't be restricted for 1 osc)?
You can send any osc to bypass the filter or as said previously render a different filter sweep to each oscillator separately and go from there. Those are your options, or use 2 instances.

drdriller
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304 posts since 6 Feb, 2017

Re: 1 filter enough (as in Serum)?

Post Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:27 am

there is 4 filters on serum, one on main panel, one on the fx section, and the eq can be turn into a hp/lp

(notice that both filter fx can also be turned into multi or comb filter...)

Tannaliini
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Re: 1 filter enough (as in Serum)?

Post Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:26 am

drdriller wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:27 am
there is 4 filters on serum, one on main panel, one on the fx section, and the eq can be turn into a hp/lp

(notice that both filter fx can also be turned into multi or comb filter...)
Isn't that 3 (1 in main panel, 1 on the fx, 1 eq)? Or did I misunderstand something?

AnX
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7358 posts since 17 Nov, 2015

Re: 1 filter enough (as in Serum)?

Post Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:46 am

Tannaliini wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:25 am
How do you feel about synth having only 1 filter?
i assume you mean one as in not two (in parallel or serial) as opposed to one type?

a single filter is absolutely fine here, even if it's just LP (very rare use anything else)

Trancit
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2786 posts since 27 Jul, 2004

Re: 1 filter enough (as in Serum)?

Post Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:03 pm

Tannaliini wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:26 am
drdriller wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:27 am
there is 4 filters on serum, one on main panel, one on the fx section, and the eq can be turn into a hp/lp

(notice that both filter fx can also be turned into multi or comb filter...)
Isn't that 3 (1 in main panel, 1 on the fx, 1 eq)? Or did I misunderstand something?
Count again: 1 main filter, one filter fx, 1 HP and 1 LP in the EQ

Second: Regarding to the wide variety of sounds Serum is capable of I don´t think there is so much need for a second filter...
And for the rare case you need something really in parallel you can always use a second instance by duplicating the first and make you changes there...

recursive one
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4896 posts since 7 Feb, 2013

Re: 1 filter enough (as in Serum)?

Post Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:15 pm

AnX wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:46 am

a single filter is absolutely fine here, even if it's just LP (very rare use anything else)
It's just you (hey, Fluffy! :D )

Good thing about dual filters in parallel configuration is that you can smoothly crossfade between their output, e.g. by assigning the filter balance to a modwheel or an envelope. It's not directly possible in Serum but you can make similar things with the multimode filters Serum has.
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clipnotic
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347 posts since 19 Sep, 2007 from Germany

Re: 1 filter enough (as in Serum)?

Post Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:26 pm

gentleclockdivider wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:07 am

An eq processes stereo signals , a polyphonic filter processes each voice .
okay thanks, I have to try this! :tu:
VST developers need more motivation and best motivation is hardcore criticism! :D
My english is terrible, feel free to correct me! :wink:

Rastkovic
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107 posts since 26 Jul, 2018 from Germany

Re: 1 filter enough (as in Serum)?

Post Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:30 pm

Tannaliini wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:25 am
How do you feel about synth having only 1 filter?
If the synth sounds interesting, it doesn't matter for me. I would use it anyway.
Tannaliini wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:25 am
I am just curious how much it effects sound designing if there is 1 filter compared to 2?
It won't affect my sound design process, I choose the right tool for my purpose before starting.

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gentleclockdivider
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2850 posts since 22 Mar, 2009 from gent

Re: 1 filter enough (as in Serum)?

Post Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:42 pm

Tannaliini wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:26 am
drdriller wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:27 am
there is 4 filters on serum, one on main panel, one on the fx section, and the eq can be turn into a hp/lp

(notice that both filter fx can also be turned into multi or comb filter...)
Isn't that 3 (1 in main panel, 1 on the fx, 1 eq)? Or did I misunderstand something?
Serum has only 1 filter yes , but do you know how many filters are actually engaged when you play for example a seventh chord ?
Four filters , because each voice is filtered , this is called a polyphonic filter
A filter inthe effects section processes the whole audio stream ( mostly stereo ) , so these are single stereo filters iow not processed on a per voice basis .
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Dirtgrain
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994 posts since 12 Jan, 2019

Re: 1 filter enough (as in Serum)?

Post Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:36 pm

As they say in Irish bars, one is just right, two is too many, and three is not nearly enough.
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KVRian
653 posts since 8 May, 2018 from Sweden

Re: 1 filter enough (as in Serum)?

Post Fri Jun 05, 2020 12:44 am

Not a huge deal to me, especially with the FX section and large selection of filters (including stuff like bandpass, formant etc. which might otherwise require 2 filters). There are so many synths to choose from that each one doesn't have to do everything imaginable.

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