Nexus 3 competitors?

[revvy]

Omnisphere (Close to rompler)

No it's not.

Exactly the very definition of a rompler is you're stuck with sounds they provide and cannot make your own from scratch which is the exact opposite of Omnisphere.

No it's not
With rompler You can make your own sounds, but not Your own samples. But the rest of the engine is still there (filters, envelopes, modulations and effects).

What does make your own samples have to do with anything? In fact, what does make your own samples even mean in your reply?

[Kumi_27]

What does make your own samples have to do with anything?

I think this is the difference between sampler and rompler - the first has the ability to sample the sound to use in the oscillators, the other one has only factory waves/wavetables.

[-Yaz-]

What does make your own samples have to do with anything?

I think this is the difference between sampler and rompler - the first has the ability to sample the sound to use in the oscillators, the other one has only factory waves/wavetables.

Exactly - 'ROMpler' historically means fixed samples in ROM (Read Only Memory) which you can't change yourself which is exactly what you get with Nexus but not a synth like Omnisphere.

[-Yaz-]

With rompler You can make your own sounds, but not Your own samples. But the rest of the engine is still there (filters, envelopes, modulations and effects).

You cant make your own sounds - you can EDIT an existing sound and save it by changing the envelope etc. You cannot change layers or sounds in the patch. Ok that means you can turn say a synth into a pad but you're extremely limited still.

[Kumi_27]

You cant make your own sounds - you can EDIT an existing sound and save it by changing the envelope etc. You cannot change layers or sounds in the patch. Ok that means you can turn say a synth into a pad but you're extremely limited still.

No, I don't think so. For example Korg M1 is both a synth and a rompler. You can make hundreds of Your own sounds with it - but only using factory PCM tones, stored in firmware and expansion cards.
The oscillator source is fixed - the rest of the engine isn't. The rest is up to You - the layers, the patches, everything - except the samples. But You can use factory square wave too and filter it however You want, just like in any other synth.

[-Yaz-]

No, I don't think so. For example Korg M1 is both a synth and a rompler. You can make hundreds of Your own sounds with it - but only using factory PCM tones, stored in firmware and expansion cards.
The oscillator source is fixed - the rest of the engine isn't. The rest is up to You - the layers, the patches, everything - except the samples. But You can use factory square wave too and filter it however You want, just like in any other synth.

But with respect the synth part is the big difference. Nexus is a pure rompler not a synth and this is EXACTLY why i keep saying it's still different to things like Omnisphere. On Nexus you can't create your own sounds from scratch because you can't change the oscillators.

I'm not the one claiming how good Nexus is - I'm the one pointing out its limitations

[Kumi_27]

Well, it's more like how You define what a rompler is.
Like I said, to me many digital synths are romplers, when Nexus is more like a preset player.
But I get Your point

[outerspacecat]

Man you've got no idea how huge advertising of my humble stuff you just made :)And yes you are right for most stuff,i'm changing whatever i want,honestly what you wrote made me smile,it's just old stuff i decide to release again,some are free,some not so,other are in development so on
About outdated synths i could argue especially when it comes to Firebird,it's pure gold,i wasn't trying to make commercial advertising here,just my sense of humor is too spicy for guys like you obviously hihihi it was joke ...whatever,sorry for hurting so many folks favourite synth feelings,i never said anything bad about it,but seems like some guys trying to put some negative label on me,curious,whats the fun of that:)Anyway don't feel bad about it,nice day to everybody

You haven't hurt my feelings or and for my sense of humor didn't make any funny jokes.

You simply advertised your opaque products and compared them to an over 10 year old industry standard - which I find completely disproportionate.

And you still haven't explained where and how the sounds came from. Also why the number has suddenly been reduced to 1/3. Talking about jokes and hihi and hohohoho doesn't make things less strange, sorry. But you have to know what you're doing. I'll leave it at that.

To me, that's a highly dubious proposition. Not the least of which is that you advertise here professionally but only receive funds on a donation basis...

[outerspacecat]

At the moment just about every provider brings Synthwave and 80s and 90s stuff, because it's "back to the root time", I made such music a long time ago, too. And there are endless soundbanks and sample packs exactly with such sounds and there you often also get all the single sounds AND the midi files AND all used samples and not just one soundbank for Nexus!

You forgot the links.

Maybe you should check the real market first, before you post such crap! And I could write a long list with alternatives especially in that genre, but you have such a big mouth in your awkward post, so you can live in your world alone!

You forgot the list.

[outerspacecat]

You cant make your own sounds - you can EDIT an existing sound and save it by changing the envelope etc. You cannot change layers or sounds in the patch. Ok that means you can turn say a synth into a pad but you're extremely limited still.

No, I don't think so. For example Korg M1 is both a synth and a rompler. You can make hundreds of Your own sounds with it - but only using factory PCM tones, stored in firmware and expansion cards.
The oscillator source is fixed - the rest of the engine isn't. The rest is up to You - the layers, the patches, everything - except the samples. But You can use factory square wave too and filter it however You want, just like in any other synth.

This!

This blindness when it comes to romplers are completely illogical.

Yes, a Rompler like Nexus is limited in its possibilities, extremely limited in that special case but there are still ways to significantly change and adapt the existing sources, same is true for all hardware rompers as mentioned above. That's what all the great producers did back in the days with all the Roland, Korg and Yamaha romper driven instruments. And prices for such expansion cards were more ridiculous than any expansion or sample pack today.

To say that it's all based on the same old samples is as intelligent as saying that every single Sylenth sound is the same lame old shit, because it's based on the same 8 waveforms over and over and over again - how ridiculous is that? Read again: 8 waveforms.

Yeah, I know that the tweaking possibilities are way more advanced in Sylenth than in a lot of rompers especially Nexus. But in case of Nexus, the modulation and effect possibilities are good enough to tweak the sounds to better fit them in your own productions. And at the end it's the concept of Nexus, fast and ready to play commercial EDM sounds.

But it purely depends on the creativity of the user. Personally I use Nexus besides commercial dance music most of the time as a pad machine. Especially the old discredited expansions packs as the Bigtone signature collections for example are a little treasures for warm pad sources.

[clipnotic]

At the moment just about every provider brings Synthwave and 80s and 90s stuff, because it's "back to the root time", I made such music a long time ago, too. And there are endless soundbanks and sample packs exactly with such sounds and there you often also get all the single sounds AND the midi files AND all used samples and not just one soundbank for Nexus!

You forgot the links.

Maybe you should check the real market first, before you post such crap! And I could write a long list with alternatives especially in that genre, but you have such a big mouth in your awkward post, so you can live in your world alone!

You forgot the list.

I'm not your secretary and you couldn't pay me for that!

[outerspacecat]

Ok... Please do share those sound bank names? They sound very promising! Maybe some links to demo videos etc?

Sorry, I share here nothing, because that guys here are thinking, they know everything, so you should ask them!

I shared my knowledge about the synths I have. I provided information for the op and I also posted two videos of the possibilities / expansion for Nexus.

You are the one who claims to know these amazing sample packs - and suddenly you decide to share nothing, that's a mature move. Unless you can't provide us with these synthwave and edm sample packs you mentioned including construction kits, midi files and "PLAYABLE" single sounds (not just drum single sounds) for every construction kit - I have to call you a liar, sorry.

[clipnotic]

I shared my knowledge about the synths I have. I provided information for the op and I also posted two videos of the possibilities / expansion for Nexus.

You are the one who claims to know these amazing sample packs - and suddenly you decide to share nothing, that's a mature move. Unless you can't provide us with these synthwave and edm sample packs you mentioned including construction kits, midi files and "PLAYABLE" single sounds (not just drum single sounds) for every construction kit - I have to call you a liar, sorry.

The problem is, you have no "knowledge", because you don't know the whole market, but praise Nexus like god! If you are not able to search for alternatives, but posting crap like here, then stay with Nexus! It would made especially for users like you!

[outerspacecat]

To further fuel the old (completely unnecessary) rompler debate. What many people don't know is that Nexus (as far as I know) also had its own non-sample based synth engine on board from the first release. As a user I can't access the underlying engine, as far as I know only the sound designers it seems - but the fact remains: Nexus has its own synth engine.

You can still see this in Nexus3 with individual presets, because no samples are loaded into memory.

Here, for example, you can see that this preset is a synth engine-based sound without samples loaded:

nexus integrated synth engine.png

[outerspacecat]

I shared my knowledge about the synths I have. I provided information for the op and I also posted two videos of the possibilities / expansion for Nexus.

You are the one who claims to know these amazing sample packs - and suddenly you decide to share nothing, that's a mature move. Unless you can't provide us with these synthwave and edm sample packs you mentioned including construction kits, midi files and "PLAYABLE" single sounds (not just drum single sounds) for every construction kit - I have to call you a liar, sorry.

The problem is, you have no "knowledge", because you don't know the whole market, but praise Nexus like god! If you are not able to search for alternatives, but posting crap like here, then stay with Nexus! It would made especially for users like you!

I praised Nexus simply because I like it and use it, nothing more. If you read my first post in this discussion you can see that I own (or owned at some point) a lot of the mentioned romplers. Do you really think I know nothing about sample packs and other synths? But of course I don't know every single sample pack or synth out there on the market. You do???

I didn't post any crap. I praised Nexus because I like it and think it's a highly valuable tool for modern dance music.

In my world its more crappier to claim things and then not to substantiate or prove them. I like to stand by my word, you obviously don't.

I even don't need a list, I would be happy if you could provide me just with one single synthwave pack you mentioned which provides the same quality and amount of possibilities for €60 or even better, cheaper than that. Just a single one.

I't always good to find new sources sample manufactures and sound designers, so I'm really happy to learn more about these packs you mentioned. This could be very valuable for anyone especially for the op who mentioned he do like sample packs.