One midi controller for multiple tracks. What am I doing wrong, or, is the latest update buggy?{SOLVED]

[GuitarPlayerinNYC]

WF 11 ver. 11.0.39. Win 10, 64 bit.

Since the latest WF update, I'm unable to have multiple instances of my Arturia KeyLab Essential. A few months ago, I discovered I was able to have multiple midi instances by accident. Now, I can have only one. After the last update, I had problems with my guitar interface, and just resolved after nearly a week.

I found a thread from 3 years ago, as a workaround: viewtopic.php?t=486426 but if I can avoid this, I'd prefer to keep things as simply as possible, especially as a WF noob.

I've noticed there's a "midi" selection in the input area. I've played with it a bit, and have been able to get 3 tracks going at once, but I haven't quite found the pattern to load multiple midi tracks. I've attched a screenshot.

In the past, I never had to do anything. Clearly I'm missing something. Can someone point me in the right direction? Thanks in advance.

midi multi track.JPG

[astey]

WF 11 ver. 11.0.39. Win 10, 64 bit.

Since the latest WF update, I'm unable to have multiple instances of my Arturia KeyLab Essential. A few months ago, I discovered I was able to have multiple midi instances by accident. Now, I can have only one. After the last update, I had problems with my guitar interface, and just resolved after nearly a week.

I found a thread from 3 years ago, as a workaround: viewtopic.php?t=486426 but if I can avoid this, I'd prefer to keep things as simply as possible, especially as a WF noob.

I've noticed there's a "midi" selection in the input area. I've played with it a bit, and have been able to get 3 tracks going at once, but I haven't quite found the pattern to load multiple midi tracks. I've attched a screenshot.

In the past, I never had to do anything. Clearly I'm missing something. Can someone point me in the right direction? Thanks in advance.

midi multi track.JPG

• Use shown menu and select: Number of inputs, set it to 4 = you have 4 independent midi inputs for controllers or tracks inputs per track
• Close the menu to see them->4 empty slots for inputs.
• you might want to disable 'auto switch midi input by track selection' in settings for more convenience.
• ->Now you can route other tracks or your midi controllers to this track.

Alternative:
You can also route unlimited midi sources into this track by altering the output (on the right side of the track, or by menu) to the track of your choice.
Track output includes audio and midi.
Some vst block passthrough though, so make sure you get output of your desired midi sources.

Example:
settings: disable 'auto switch midi input by track selection'
Use 4 tracks with one midi input each and route their output to one destination track with your plugin.

[GuitarPlayerinNYC]

WF 11 ver. 11.0.39. Win 10, 64 bit.

Since the latest WF update, I'm unable to have multiple instances of my Arturia KeyLab Essential. A few months ago, I discovered I was able to have multiple midi instances by accident. Now, I can have only one. After the last update, I had problems with my guitar interface, and just resolved after nearly a week.

I found a thread from 3 years ago, as a workaround: viewtopic.php?t=486426 but if I can avoid this, I'd prefer to keep things as simply as possible, especially as a WF noob.

I've noticed there's a "midi" selection in the input area. I've played with it a bit, and have been able to get 3 tracks going at once, but I haven't quite found the pattern to load multiple midi tracks. I've attched a screenshot.

In the past, I never had to do anything. Clearly I'm missing something. Can someone point me in the right direction? Thanks in advance.

midi multi track.JPG

• Use shown menu and select: Number of inputs, set it to 4 = you have 4 independent midi inputs for controllers or tracks inputs per track
• Close the menu to see them->4 empty slots for inputs.
• you might want to disable 'auto switch midi input by track selection' in settings for more convenience.
• ->Now you can route other tracks or your midi controllers to this track.

Alternative:
You can also route unlimited midi sources into this track by altering the output (on the right side of the track, or by menu) to the track of your choice.
Track output includes audio and midi.
Some vst block passthrough though, so make sure you get output of your desired midi sources.

Example:
settings: disable 'auto switch midi input by track selection'
Use 4 tracks with one midi input each and route their output to one destination track with your plugin.

Can you point out where disable 'auto switch midi input by track selection' is, exactly? Is it somewhere here? I can't seem to find it:

midi settings tab.JPG

I get someplace when playing with the Midi Tracks option (right above the Midi Inputs), but I can't seem to find a an easy pattern to this. My midi tracks go all over.

Also, when you mention outputs, on the right side, you're talking about the the attached, correct?

audio outs right side.JPG

Sorry if I'm being dense, but I'm on about day 6 of troubleshooting after the last update, and I'm running on fumes. Thanks.

[GuitarPlayerinNYC]

PS, if I didn't make myself clear. Before, I was simply able to add Arturia to any track, and was able to have multiple midi tracks that could be controlled simultanously. That option is simply gone. And "Arturia" would appear on whatever track I placed it. It made for some interesting sounds, when I loaded multiple instruments.

[GuitarPlayerinNYC]

I found the solution. See screenshot. I'm now able to put as many instances of my midi controller, on as many tracks as I'd like, without routing anything. And I can solo any track, without doing anything. See highlight.

Thanks, astey.

allow inputs to appear on multiple tracks.JPG

multi midis.JPG

[astey]

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This picture shows the inputs of your controllers & or tracks. change your number of inputs to max 4.
click on the input slot and you can change your follow selection as well


you can change track outputs on the right side of the track.
if you select multiple tracks, go down to the expanded menu. on the right side you can assign all tracks at once. this way you can assign unlimited tracks. "so you can record and mix all incoming signals at once like a bus track"
cheers

[GuitarPlayerinNYC]

This picture shows the inputs of your controllers & or tracks. change your number of inputs to max 4.
click on the input slot and you can change your follow selection as well


you can change track outputs on the right side of the track.
if you select multiple tracks, go down to the expanded menu. on the right side you can assign all tracks at once. this way you can assign unlimited tracks. "so you can record and mix all incoming signals at once like a bus track"
cheers

Is this method geared more towards multiple midi inputs? Currently, I have a midi keyboard, with pads/sliders, etc built in. This would be good to know, should I decide to expand my hardware.

Thanks for taking the time to explain.

Edit: also, I still haven't found this setting: "auto switch midi input by track selection"

[astey]

No, why would you? Keys send notes. Sliders send cc

Its in the screenshot, last two items: „default item follows selection„

„Allow controller for multiple tracks“ or so is in settings -> general

[GuitarPlayerinNYC]

No, why would you? Keys send notes. Sliders send cc

Its in the screenshot, last two items: „default item follows selection„

„Allow controller for multiple tracks“ or so is in settings -> general

Sorry, why would I...what?

I had the "default item selection..." selected. Then I found the "allow controller for multiple tracks" setting, as I posted above, with a pic.

Since I can now simply add another midi instance to a track, without having to do anything else, I'm asking is there any reason to change the number of inputs, etc, as you described.

[astey]

No, why would you? Keys send notes. Sliders send cc

Its in the screenshot, last two items: „default item follows selection„

„Allow controller for multiple tracks“ or so is in settings -> general

Sorry, why would I...what?

I had the "default item selection..." selected. Then I found the "allow controller for multiple tracks" setting, as I posted above, with a pic.

Since I can now simply add another midi instance to a track, without having to do anything else, I'm asking is there any reason to change the number of inputs, etc, as you described.

If you can record the way you want, everything is fine.
Nothing else to change or add. I’m don’t know your setup/workflow that well to provide additional information.
Multi input can be nice when you use guitar + foot pedals or when you want to merge sources

[Peter Widdicombe]

It can also be useful for tracks that have both audio AND MIDI input .VST's - like for MIDI Choir - that accept an audio input and also MIDI input to modify it.

[GuitarPlayerinNYC]

If you can record the way you want, everything is fine.
Nothing else to change or add. I’m don’t know your setup/workflow that well to provide additional information.
Multi input can be nice when you use guitar + foot pedals or when you want to merge sources

OK, thanks for your input. I'm not even sure of my workflow yet lol.

It can also be useful for tracks that have both audio AND MIDI input .VST's - like for MIDI Choir - that accept an audio input and also MIDI input to modify it.

I haven't tried that yet- having both midi and audio on the same track- if that's what you meant. Obviously, I have a lot to learn.

I'm only scratching the surface of Waveform.

Thanks again for your input.

[Peter Widdicombe]

You probably don't want/need to have audio and MIDI on the same track, in most cases. Use an extra track and keep separate - it's "free".
However, there are effects or processors that take multiple sources together. Vocal harmonizers or auto-tune may work this way. My favorite example of this is a little, old VST (unfortunately 32-bit, which means you have to use some gymnastics to get it working on 64-bit systems) called MIDI-Choir.

Basically, you feed in an audio signal (normally voice), as well as a MIDI keyboard input. It then will "harmonize" and output the original audio feed PLUS several modified versions of it based on the MIDI notes being fed into it. On their website, they have a single voice doing the "Is this the real life; is this just fantasy....." choral part from Queen's Bohemian Rhapsody. Real-time choral backing from a single voice !

[GuitarPlayerinNYC]

You probably don't want/need to have audio and MIDI on the same track, in most cases. Use an extra track and keep separate - it's "free".
However, there are effects or processors that take multiple sources together. Vocal harmonizers or auto-tune may work this way. My favorite example of this is a little, old VST (unfortunately 32-bit, which means you have to use some gymnastics to get it working on 64-bit systems) called MIDI-Choir.

Basically, you feed in an audio signal (normally voice), as well as a MIDI keyboard input. It then will "harmonize" and output the original audio feed PLUS several modified versions of it based on the MIDI notes being fed into it. On their website, they have a single voice doing the "Is this the real life; is this just fantasy....." choral part from Queen's Bohemian Rhapsody. Real-time choral backing from a single voice !

My curiosity was piqued, and I place an audio and midi input on one track. I was able to get signals from both, but can't play both at the same time. So I tried one bar of midi and one bar of audio, but then I got that exclamation point error. I didn't want to bother with trying to figure it out. I did find Midi Choir. The plugin won't load, but it seems to work in standalone. I've seen plugins for vocal harmony from Izotope, but not mixing audio and midi.

I'm trying to get back to where I was before all these problems started, like making my external SSD drive the default place to save projects, and troubleshooting some odd behavior. I have one project where I can't solo any tracks, where I can, on others.

Anyway, it's been a full week spent on fixing my problems. Asio4all has me up and running. The OCD part of me is really bothered that I can't get the native Asio drivers to work with WF. I may drop Tracktion an inquiry, or start a thread on the latest updates to see if the latest update is problematic, so I can stop wasting time with all the troubleshooting.

Always appreciate your input. Cheers.

[Peter Widdicombe]

Yeah, without using a rack, you may not get both functional on one track. Remember - most MIDI plugins will NOT respond to audio input, so will be silent. Similarly, MIDI "note events" without a VST can't be heard. If you really MUST do this, you probably need a rack, so you can send the audio in to audio out, and midi IN to the VST you drop into it - and it's audio ALSO to the output. You can also have a rack with multiple VST's in parallel, so MIDI in on that track hitting the rack can feed all of the VST's in the rack; and their output all combined in the output.

There are probably about 3 other ways of doing that MIDI overlay thing... but you can save a rack as a preset if you have odd combinations you use often. Like keyboard splitting -
1. Create a rack and drop 2 VST's into it.
2. Drop a MIDI filter in front of each to block keys above/below a given key
3. Route MIDI in to both filters, and one filter to each of the VST's
4. Audio out on both VST's to L/R output.

Now when you play the keyboard, low notes go to one vst and high notes go to the other.

If your keyboard already HAS keyboard-split to different MIDI channels, replace the filter with one that filters based on MIDI channel input.

I have one keyboard with pitch bend and no mod wheel. Using these tricks and MIDI modifiers, I can reverse that and use the pitch bend wheel as a mod wheel instead.