I just helped a friend installing Waveform 11, and ran into something I'd seen before and shrugged off...
When trying to run Waveform in "simplistic mode" on a laptop, using the internal speakers and built in mike, it looks like the Windows default is to run the audio at 48 and the microphone at 44.1. This makes it virtually impossible to use Waveform, as input and output apparently have to be at the same rate. Even when plugging in a small USB mixer, the same was found. If you set input, you have to do it twice, and it blows away the input; but you can record. You then have to go back and set output without an input selected.
Resolution was to set the audio output for the onboard audio to 44.1, and then it worked perfectly for both internal audio, and for the USB mixer. While it IS an audio issue, some mention of what to do might be useful. It took me a while (probably about 15 minutes) to do the workaround, but I can see a novice simply giving up...
Windows users; default system audio 44.1 or 48 Khz
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Peter Widdicombe Peter Widdicombe https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=336849
- KVRian
- 1208 posts since 29 Aug, 2014
Waveform 13; Win10 desktop/8 Gig; Win11 Laptop; MPK261; VFX+disfunctional ESQ-1
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- KVRist
- 320 posts since 9 Sep, 2017
what is known about notebook/headphone use?
to me it seems that there is loss of monitoring quality, when mixing SR is not the same as audio chip SR.
so I change it in the windows system (audio settings Realtek in my case).
there is invisible conversion happening, but I think we should avoid it.
what about the music input clips? obviously I can mix anything with anything, and there is on-the-fly conversion.
so, at first glance, when the mic (or input jack) driver delivers 44100, should we mix at 44100, or does it not matter, or should we convert with a pro software?
to me it seems that there is loss of monitoring quality, when mixing SR is not the same as audio chip SR.
so I change it in the windows system (audio settings Realtek in my case).
there is invisible conversion happening, but I think we should avoid it.
what about the music input clips? obviously I can mix anything with anything, and there is on-the-fly conversion.
so, at first glance, when the mic (or input jack) driver delivers 44100, should we mix at 44100, or does it not matter, or should we convert with a pro software?
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- KVRist
- 236 posts since 9 Feb, 2017
Go with 44.1 since 90% of the sample packs are sampled at 44.1.
If you dig through your mp3 library you will find a similar result. Most mp3 of popular titles are 44.1.
If you don't mind resampling you can go with 48khz, but I guess you won't notice the difference in sound quality of your fx plugins.
If you dig through your mp3 library you will find a similar result. Most mp3 of popular titles are 44.1.
If you don't mind resampling you can go with 48khz, but I guess you won't notice the difference in sound quality of your fx plugins.
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- KVRAF
- 2417 posts since 17 Jun, 2003
It's going to be pretty bad with onboard audio unless you install ASIO4ALL to get some kind of ASIO support. Did Tracktion used to have a button that would download and install that, or did I imagine it?
"my gosh it's a friggin hardware"
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- KVRAF
- 2417 posts since 17 Jun, 2003
I think I'm thinking of a 3rd party open source library that would let you save as mp3 format, due to licensing weirdness, at the time. So not ASIO4ALL related at all. But still, installing that is kind of a minimum requirement, with no hardware interface, on windows
"my gosh it's a friggin hardware"