Anyone else excited for what Ableton has been working on?

[xylyx]

You normally needed to slightly adjust the width of the track and then the device names would show. Probably why it has remained an options.txt only option.

[Rivanni]

Nm

[pdxindy]

Hopefully it's MPE capable at least. It's weird that the DAW named for performance, does not support without a script or painful busy work MPE?

afaik it doesn't even support poly aftertouch at the moment

Adding PolyAT support in Live (for a non coder like me) seems trivial. The fact that Push is PolyAT capable but Ableton has never used it because Live cannot record PolyAT points to some sort of deeper difficulty.

Live also doesn't have midi channel support either... which is necessary for MPE

Also, Live has licensed code from other developers and has M4L. It could be a tremendous amount of work to integrate MPE into the core of the application and have everything work seamlessly.

[Yorrrrrr]

A much as I love Live, the wait for something significant from them is depressing.The pace of development seems so slow to me; other DAWs are catching up to Live, but Live is not catching up to them in some basic features. It's no longer unique, there's no innovation. I don't know why, because Ableton seems to have a pretty large team.

[Dalle]

MIDI 2.0 is my bet.

[Winstontaneous]

Hopefully it's MPE capable at least. It's weird that the DAW named for performance, does not support without a script or painful busy work MPE?

afaik it doesn't even support poly aftertouch at the moment

Adding PolyAT support in Live (for a non coder like me) seems trivial. The fact that Push is PolyAT capable but Ableton has never used it because Live cannot record PolyAT points to some sort of deeper difficulty.

Live also doesn't have midi channel support either... which is necessary for MPE

Also, Live has licensed code from other developers and has M4L. It could be a tremendous amount of work to integrate MPE into the core of the application and have everything work seamlessly.

It's worth noting that David Zicarelli (of Cycling '74, which is now owned by Ableton and makes Max/MSP) mentions MPE is one of the features he uses most in Max in the new KVR interview. Ableton surely has access to the means in-house to make it happen.

[inkwarp]

the selection methods/tools need a proper over-haul.
It's really annoying as it is.
they could also work on the quantisation settings ( for the grids).. too fussy at the moment.
the browser needs work still.
the ability to customise layout would be good.
customisable shortcuts come to that...

edit: Forgot, I would like to have an ability to make copies of clips either linked or unlinked. Every time you copy and paste in Ableton it automatically creates a unique copy. Would be great to have linked ones also so that editing one edits all the instances and copies that are 'linked'.

[Kinh]

A much as I love Live, the wait for something significant from them is depressing.The pace of development seems so slow to me; other DAWs are catching up to Live, but Live is not catching up to them in some basic features. It's no longer unique, there's no innovation. I don't know why, because Ableton seems to have a pretty large team.

I dont think ya know what ya talkin' bout mate

[machinesworking]

A much as I love Live, the wait for something significant from them is depressing.The pace of development seems so slow to me; other DAWs are catching up to Live, but Live is not catching up to them in some basic features. It's no longer unique, there's no innovation. I don't know why, because Ableton seems to have a pretty large team.

I dont think ya know what ya talkin' bout mate

I've used Live since v3, and without a doubt the pace of development has slowed significantly since v8.

Since they introduced Max 4 Live things have slowed. My thoughts when it happened were that it would take a huge amount of resources behind the scenes to make sure it all works without too many bugs, and that it would slow development of other areas in Live down. I do not think I was wrong about that. If you're a big fan of "build your own" tools like Max then this isn't a big deal, if you're not, it is.

[Mister Natural]

I still don't use half the tricks and sexy-stuff inside v.10 - what do I need v.11 for ?
...is your question

-the color "favorites" inside the browser seems kinda clunky - wish that were able to be organized better(and I don't have the answers as to how)
-the most current versions of the AAS synths(analog, collision, electric, tension) - AAS has v.2.0 of all of these and the newer UltraAnalog is a monster
-MAX needs more midi efx to be native - sometimes a new, tricky aftermarket MAXdevice might work; sometimes it doesn't (without a hack of my workflow)
peace

[dolomick]

Live is really disappointing me with its glacial pace of development. Studio One and Bitwig have done sooooo much cool stuff in the past few years and Ableton still lacks so many things. I actually like how it’s kind of basic because it makes it less cluttered, but at the same time there are a ton of annoying little things that it can’t do or doesn’t do well that are leading me to look elsewhere.

[Kinh]

Live is really disappointing me with its glacial pace of development. Studio One and Bitwig have done sooooo much cool stuff in the past few years and Ableton still lacks so many things. I actually like how it’s kind of basic because it makes it less cluttered, but at the same time there are a ton of annoying little things that it can’t do or doesn’t do well that are leading me to look elsewhere.

What things? You can create complex music with it, isn't that enough?

[quincy]

Live is really disappointing me with its glacial pace of development. Studio One and Bitwig have done sooooo much cool stuff in the past few years and Ableton still lacks so many things. I actually like how it’s kind of basic because it makes it less cluttered, but at the same time there are a ton of annoying little things that it can’t do or doesn’t do well that are leading me to look elsewhere.

What things? You can create complex music with it, isn't that enough?

For me it's about the workflow details. I actually think, on it's own terms, that Live is a very stable and mature piece of software but there are a few things that are behind other DAWs that can be very frustrating.

For example, if I want to use one of the many interesting MIDI devices on the market I have to use 2 tracks so I can "pipe" the MIDI notes from one track to another. I cannot just drop a VST synth onto a track and then put a MIDI device in front of it. Similar annoyance with modulation capabilities. Unless I pay for the top tier Ableton Live Suite version I can't add a generic LFO or envelope and assign it to any parameter (or multiple parameters) I like, which is possible with Bitwig and others. Having to have Max4Live, which is essentially a whole other bit of software, running in the background to even add an LFO to an FX parameter is very blunt tool for a simple task. When I tried it, my CPU jumped by a few percent for every Max4Live LFO or envelope I added and I couldn't even apply different amounts of LFO to different target parameters which felt very restrictive.

As I said before I think Live is a solid bit of software but whereas it felt "cutting edge" some years ago it doesn't now. It is very good at what it does, but a few "modern" features are lacking and many of the Max4Live solutions are frankly not that great. I hang onto my Ableton Intro 10 becasue it's probably not worth selling and I'm waiting to see what changes but it's taking a long time. I keep going back to try it and being irritated at a few missing features that are available in many other cheaper DAWs but still not even £450 top-tier version of Live.

Still a good DAW though, just to be clear, and I wait keenly to see what's next.

[Trancit]

For me it's about the workflow details. ...

Sometimes things are how they are and nothing which can easily be changed or it would be meaningful to change...

For example, if I want to use one of the many interesting MIDI devices on the market I have to use 2 tracks so I can "pipe" the MIDI notes from one track to another. I cannot just drop a VST synth onto a track and then put a MIDI device in front of it.

Which is the same for every major Sequencer on the market... they all work like this...Cubase, S1, Logic, Cakewalk... the only exceptions are Reaper and Bitwig... or you perhaps prefer an even worse way like FL Studio does...
I would say Ableton is in a very good position there...

Similar annoyance with modulation capabilities. ...which is possible with Bitwig and others. ...

Tell me more about how many others...
How many DAWs have actually a good modulation system??? Tbh...one... Bitwig... perhaps Reason... more or less but by far not what I would call a good modulation...i.e. Reaper...

With all this modulation madness nowadays people tend to forget that it´s actually the job of the synth or effect to offer modulations and less the job of any DAW...
tbh Ableton has a very powerfull modulation system inbuilt in it´s clips...
You have to make your hands dirty...yes... but it´s far more flexible and powerfull than any Bitwig modulator ever could be... and to use M4L for a few other things shouldn´t harm your CPU that much...

Again: Ableton is in a very very good position here... this is whining on a very high level here... imho...

[antic604]

tbh Ableton has a very powerfull modulation system inbuilt in it´s clips... You have to make your hands dirty...yes... but it´s far more flexible and powerfull than any Bitwig modulator ever could be...

Excuse me? Assuming you're talking about dummy clips, Bitwig can do the same automation tricks with clips that Live can, so I can't see how the former is "far more flexible and powerful"?

EDIT: oh, unless you mean the rectangle you can now draw around automation and stretch & bend it? Yeah, that can only partially be replicated with additive / multiplicative automation in Bitwig, but e.g. stretching is not available

With all this modulation madness nowadays people tend to forget that it´s actually the job of the synth or effect to offer modulations and less the job of any DAW...

In many cases that's true, but also: a) most FX don't offer any or enough modulation options, b) sometimes you need a global modulation, that can be applied to several devices, e.g. you want to at once reduce cut-off on a synth plugin, increase drive in saturation plugin and make the panorama wider for the 'side' signal; all in varying amounts, but still together. That's a lot of manual work, if you don't have global modulation system, like Bitwig's.

Obviously not all - a small minority, actually - of music needs it, so I can see your point there in that sense.

I definitely agree with the other poster that Live's LFO / Shaper / Env. Follower devices shouldn't be tied to Suite / M4L and shouldn't incurr such a big CPU hit. Last time I checked it was 10x more than Bitwig's equivalent.