Studio One 5 Available Now (5.3 Out June 29th, 2021)

[fedesilva]

This narrative of bedroom beatmakers not being professional or musicians are hilarious especially during times like this when gigging musicians can't gig and bedroom producers are the only ones making any money selling music at the moment .

And AI has been making singer song writer music for years now especially with Toontrack completing the trio of EZ Keys, EZ Drums and EZ Bass, it's EZier than ever to make music that pretends to be a real "musician."

But company's are always gonna go where the trends and the money is, and that's all pointing towards at-home producers regardless of what genre of music they're making. Although for live use during actual shows Ableton is still the king but I'm happy to see other DAWs try and close that gap, and happier to see Presonus release a controller like Atom SQ that will make it easier.

nothing special for EDM producers, still no parameters automation.

That's the best new feature of Studio One 5.

A certain segment wanted PreSonus to add a bunch of gimmicky garbage for bedroom "beatmakers" and other non-musicians. PreSonus took Studio One in exactly the opposite direction.

After reviewing the new features, a clear direction emerges:
PreSonus has taken Studio One out of the bedroom.

ALL of the new features are aimed at working musicians and engineers—either composing, or gigging, or working in professional recording studios.

Forget Bitwig and Live. PreSonus are gunning for the big fish, and they have Pro Tools in their sights now.

Agree. I like that they are focusing more on mixing and musicians, and not adding a bunch of stupid features to help non musicians create more loop based mechanical music. That type of music will be created by Artificial Intelligence in the near future anyway, so... you can just wait and buy a AI software that makes the music for you. And if you just want to push buttons, you still have Ableton.

Disagree with both of you, what Presonus should be doing is getting the balance right between different user groups instead of going down this narrow road of segmented focus on one group of users in particular per release.

When you compare what 5.0 brings in comparison to it's, previous offerings, it's very weak really, with features that one could consider general maintenance additions like mixer scenes, and things which were asked for 5, 6 years ago like some basic notation. Things included which have been standard in other DAWs for 20, 30 years like midi sync.. Fusing midi and audio to be in one track rather than two... fixing problems that should have been fixed in maintenance updates like monitoring.

Five whole years, stuck with an inferior GUI system where you can't dynamically scale the built-in plugins by percentages as you can with other plugins from other developers like U-HE. Fundamental and important stuff like fonts, scalability and visibility quality of them. In previous updates we had core stuff like performance improved, which applies to everyone who uses the software.

What expense is that going to come in development time to things they implemented but still need significant improvement on like scratch pads, multi-instruments node system, workflow aspects like one knob click automation between different effect devices ( LFO Connect to Pro EQ Parameters for example) and a fundamental node system to network all this out.

Out of the bedroom and into pro studio's ? Where is that surround sound support then ? Improvements to the video system to match that of Cubase, Pro Tools and Cakewalk By Bandlab with a video time line....

Cakewalk By Band Lab



Times have changed since the 80s and 90s, the big studio's of yesteryear are now the bedroom studios of today...

Nobody said anything about somebody being professional or not. And your argument is just that they are musicians because they make money. Well... that's a fallacy.

I'm only saying that musicians are people that know how to play musical instruments, at whichever level, professional or not. And beatmakers are people that know how to copy/paste stuff into a grid. Studio One seems more focused to recording an actual performance (in Carnegie Hall or in your bedroom) than to facilitate copying and pasting loops into an easy to play grid. Regarding bedroom or not bedroom: I don't care where anyone is making music.

[jamcat]

This narrative of bedroom beatmakers not being professional or musicians are hilarious

Well, music theory is a science. Just like chemistry is a science. And just because you like mixing chemicals to see what happens, that doesn't necessarily make you a scientist.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

This narrative of bedroom beatmakers not being professional or musicians are hilarious

Well, music theory is a science. Just like chemistry is a science. And just because you like mixing chemicals to see what happens, that doesn't necessarily make you a scientist.

You can theorize about it all you want but music itself is an art and not a science. That's why lectures by music theory professors don't top the billboard charts.

[WatchTheGuitar]

This narrative of bedroom beatmakers not being professional or musicians are hilarious

Well, music theory is a science. Just like chemistry is a science. And just because you like mixing chemicals to see what happens, that doesn't necessarily make you a scientist.

It also doesn't make you not a scientist. A lot of science has been derived from exactly that.
It's called practice.

[jamcat]

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[jamcat]

This narrative of bedroom beatmakers not being professional or musicians are hilarious

Well, music theory is a science. Just like chemistry is a science. And just because you like mixing chemicals to see what happens, that doesn't necessarily make you a scientist.

You can theorize about it all you want but music itself is an art and not a science.

Where does this notion come from that art and science are diametrically opposed?
There is a reason why the great artists and musicians in history were also scientists and mathematicians, or at least highly trained in their fields. Trying to create art through luck with no knowledge or skill is like trying to get rich by playing the lottery.

Michelangelo wasn't just making found art with whatever he pulled out of the garbage that someone else threw away, you know. Leonardo da Vinci wasn't just winging it. And Bach didn't just guess the frequencies of equal temperament.

Everything about music is mathematical, from beat division to the frequency ratio of a semitone.

The more informed your decisions are, the more merit your art will have.

If making found art out of loops and clips is your thing, that's totally great. There are already plenty of toys for people who want to play around until they stumble onto something they find interesting. But I think Studio One is designed primarily for people who start out with a musical idea and some understanding of how to realize it.

[WatchTheGuitar]

“the rest of you... keep banging the rocks together”

What a load of wankery. As part of my degree I spent a year breaking music and sound apart using Matlab and FFT.
I doubt Dave Gilmour has ever known the theory behind why a particular bend he's chosen at a particular point sounds so f**king brilliant, but it still does.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Yeah, I don’t know any musicians who make great, interesting music and are music theorists or scholars. But some folks need to justify the cost of their education. And you’re not getting far in the Jazz or Classical worlds today without that training and knowledge...just ain’t my thing.

[tonedef71]

The theremin is an instrument that almost anyone can play without any training. Has anyone developed a digital/electronic kazoo? I suppose a musically keen ear is still needed to pull off anything listenable.

Really? I never played a theremin, but it seems to me is not an easy instrument to play, at least if you have any intention of playing any kind of tonal music. For what I've seen it requires a lot of training to get the notes right because you are mostly using an imaginary line between your body and the instrument.

I guess tonedef71 never touched a real theremin? Then again the best theremin players on this planet doesn't touched one either.

@fedesilva You're right... I should qualify that statement a bit better. The Theremin is easy to play in the sense that you can turn it on and get almost instant gratification with the cool eerie sounds you can make with it; unlike picking up a violin and bow for the very first time and creating pure cacophony. A good musical ear would certainly help to be able find that "imaginary line" so that you can create tonal music with it (developing a musical ear requires training). The theremin is easy to begin making sounds with, but it is a bit challenging to master tonal playing with it. Perhaps the Dubreq Stylophone would be an easier first instrument... or maybe the ukulele.

By the way, when musing about an electronic kazoo, this is not really what I had in mind, but the concept is interesting. I was thinking something more along the lines of this.

@mladi "the best theremin players on this planet haven't touched one either" That is pretty clever. Playing a theremin for the most part involves waving your hands in front of without actually touching it. The only touching is to turn it on/off or to twiddle its knobs.

[jamcat]

I doubt Dave Gilmour has ever known the theory behind why a particular bend he's chosen at a particular point sounds so f**king brilliant, but it still does.

He definitely knows what note he's bending to and how it harmonizes with the underlying chord.

[wuworld]

This narrative of bedroom beatmakers not being professional or musicians are hilarious especially during times like this when gigging musicians can't gig and bedroom producers are the only ones making any money selling music at the moment .

And AI has been making singer song writer music for years now especially with Toontrack completing the trio of EZ Keys, EZ Drums and EZ Bass, it's EZier than ever to make music that pretends to be a real "musician."

But company's are always gonna go where the trends and the money is, and that's all pointing towards at-home producers regardless of what genre of music they're making. Although for live use during actual shows Ableton is still the king but I'm happy to see other DAWs try and close that gap, and happier to see Presonus release a controller like Atom SQ that will make it easier.

nothing special for EDM producers, still no parameters automation.

That's the best new feature of Studio One 5.

A certain segment wanted PreSonus to add a bunch of gimmicky garbage for bedroom "beatmakers" and other non-musicians. PreSonus took Studio One in exactly the opposite direction.

After reviewing the new features, a clear direction emerges:
PreSonus has taken Studio One out of the bedroom.

ALL of the new features are aimed at working musicians and engineers—either composing, or gigging, or working in professional recording studios.

Forget Bitwig and Live. PreSonus are gunning for the big fish, and they have Pro Tools in their sights now.

Agree. I like that they are focusing more on mixing and musicians, and not adding a bunch of stupid features to help non musicians create more loop based mechanical music. That type of music will be created by Artificial Intelligence in the near future anyway, so... you can just wait and buy a AI software that makes the music for you. And if you just want to push buttons, you still have Ableton.

Disagree with both of you, what Presonus should be doing is getting the balance right between different user groups instead of going down this narrow road of segmented focus on one group of users in particular per release.

When you compare what 5.0 brings in comparison to it's, previous offerings, it's very weak really, with features that one could consider general maintenance additions like mixer scenes, and things which were asked for 5, 6 years ago like some basic notation. Things included which have been standard in other DAWs for 20, 30 years like midi sync.. Fusing midi and audio to be in one track rather than two... fixing problems that should have been fixed in maintenance updates like monitoring.

Five whole years, stuck with an inferior GUI system where you can't dynamically scale the built-in plugins by percentages as you can with other plugins from other developers like U-HE. Fundamental and important stuff like fonts, scalability and visibility quality of them. In previous updates we had core stuff like performance improved, which applies to everyone who uses the software.

What expense is that going to come in development time to things they implemented but still need significant improvement on like scratch pads, multi-instruments node system, workflow aspects like one knob click automation between different effect devices ( LFO Connect to Pro EQ Parameters for example) and a fundamental node system to network all this out.

Out of the bedroom and into pro studio's ? Where is that surround sound support then ? Improvements to the video system to match that of Cubase, Pro Tools and Cakewalk By Bandlab with a video time line....

Cakewalk By Band Lab



Times have changed since the 80s and 90s, the big studio's of yesteryear are now the bedroom studios of today...

What's the number one genre music in the world? Look at Logic's update with 10.5. When Native Instruments comes out with a new Maschine, Ableton with Push (showcasing sampling), Showcasing Presonus Atom, Output etc. Who do these companies go get? They don't ask you. I'm pretty sure the type of customer you are isn't selling for them. Talking about beatmakers, but guys like yourself are in the dm's of working producers to record them or mix the music they make. Instead of being salty at beatmakers try showcasing products in ways that helps these companies sell like the beatmakers.

Steven Slate said this, since you don't get where the market is "“We’re going to see a lot more music creators and producers, and fewer engineers. It’s going to be more about music production, and less about engineering.”

[jamcat]

Well then, I'm glad there is at least one company that is developing their DAW out of a love of music rather than a love of money.

[Touch The Universe]

The more informed your decisions are, the more merit your art will have.

[canadianlight]

NVM.

[dupont]

This narrative of bedroom beatmakers not being professional or musicians are hilarious

Well, music theory is a science. Just like chemistry is a science. And just because you like mixing chemicals to see what happens, that doesn't necessarily make you a scientist.

You can theorize about it all you want but music itself is an art and not a science. That's why lectures by music theory professors don't top the billboard charts.

I will add, the beatles were dummies at music theory, they knew 4 chords, so can we call them musicians ? Krafwerk succeed in music because they were rich.
Some current DJ /producers are famous and are only 20 years old. Do they have the time to develop music theory skill or is it only a matter of good relation ship, good manager, good religion, aggressive marketing on the radio ???