Zebra 3 feature suggestions

[SoulState]

We'll detatch pitch control from voice parameters and wrap it into special modules.

Can that make different tuning setting for each osc?
For example: Osc1 with hermode tuning, Osc2 with equal temp?
Want to have this feature to do some experiments...

[Ploki]

this conversation is becoming a bit bizarre and gives off a horribly audiophile vibe

[SoulState]

Alchemy has up to 600 oscillators per voice, yep. By default, if you just change NOsc you will have all of them with the same phase. So you need to go to Edit tab and edit the phases first (just random dragging them around so they're not a straight line), then increase NOsc, and you get a much better sounding unison, that is not phasey. Takes a little bit of knowing how to use the synth before you start to shit all over it, y'know? Plenty other synths randomize phases on unison and this is not a problem at all.

I not telling about phase issues, but about how synth handle high frequency spectrum. It is muschy in the top end, no matter that settings do u use with whatever phase. With perfect phase it is mushy too.
Maybe this is due too early rolloff of anti-alias filter?

[SoulState]

this conversation is becoming a bit bizarre and gives off a horribly audiophile vibe

So you get it. I'am audiophile. So what?
I can tell you that pmc MB2 monitors is crappy sounding boxes compared to B&W 802D, and many more interesting things)))
Being audiophile is not a bad thing, this is just trained ears and sound perception.

[EvilDragon]

Probably not, because additive synthesis does not require an antialias filter. It just stops producing partials if they are going above Nyquist frequency.

[SoulState]

Probably not, because additive synthesis does not require an antialias filter. It just stops producing partials if they are going above Nyquist frequency.

When that's ideal approach to sound synthesis. If that can make complex audio-rate modulations without aliasing.
I think diversion uses same approach, and sounds great, but it's just crazy cpu hog.

[EvilDragon]

(I'm also talking about old Alchemy.)

Don't forget there are filters after the oscillators in Alchemy. On init patch one of them is enabled by default (and it's the default biquad lowpass - the rolloff is not there if you pick the HQ filter types). Here's what I get with the raw additive sawtooth from init patch and the filter disabled:



Again, this just makes you look like you didn't at all explore the synth fully, yet you like to throw shit at it.

Anyways this is becoming more and more offtopic.

[Ploki]

So you get it. I'am audiophile. So what?
I can tell you that pmc MB2 monitors is crappy sounding boxes compared to B&W 802D, and many more interesting things)))
Being audiophile is not a bad thing, this is just trained ears and sound perception.

well, studio monitors aren't supposed to sound pleasant, they're supposed to be reliable, consistent (preferably across YEARS.), with spare parts readily available, and great support that offer as little downtime as possible...
One of the rare here are Focals, and the newer things like Dutch&Dutch and Kii which are somewhere in between HiFi and studio.
However Focal support and down-time are absolute trash compared to Hedd or Genelec - as much as I love them.

i mean, i have a masters degree in composition - my ears aren't exactly shit or untrained.
Where audiophile becomes not a good thing is where it drifts out of science of sound into unprovable pseudoscience... Which is how I identified you in the first place

[SoulState]

(I'm also talking about old Alchemy.)

Don't forget there are filters after the oscillators in Alchemy.

Yeah, i edited my post, because i forgot to check filters. Last time i used alchemy about five or six years ago =))) I need to dig into it.

[SoulState]

well, studio monitors aren't supposed to sound pleasant

I know what, but this is not that case. They produced just terrible harmonic distortions due to soft-dome mids at moderate levels, and it's very audible. But thats offtopic anyway...

[Dirtgrain]

So you get it. I'am audiophile. So what?

I get funky with bubble wrap, and I know pi to a thousand places.

[Urs]

Can that make different tuning setting for each osc?

I'm not convinced that's worth the effort.

I.e. a feature that alienates more users than it appeals to.

[the.new.me]

Urs,

is it possible if you would add random Spike/attack/punch boost ? Like VPS Avenger, Parawave Rapid, Virus Ti has

These are audiophiles as i understand?

[fese]

Audiophiles

Should’ve maybe spent 1% of that money for a bit of room treatment to tame those reflections

I somehow perceive audiophiles as unhappy people - always driven by their desire to have “the best sound”, obsessing over often irrelevant details yet never being content with what they have and just enjoy listening to/making music.

[zerocrossing]

With the implementation of MPE, there are incredible sound design opportunities. Being able to perform an electronic instrument in a similar fashion to a real world instrument means that each preset is truly its own unique instrument. I would love to see the ability to create custom curves for each aspect of MPE. I own three ROLI keyboards, so I am very biased when I say that it would be awesome if Zebra 3 had modulators for Velocity (Strike), Pitch Bend (Glide), Aftertouch (Press), Slide (Vertical movement on y axis of each key), and release velocity. Basically it would be great if Zebra 3 took a page out of ROLI's book and improved upon the Equator VST's "Transfer Curves" where the user has the ability to draw 4 custom curves for each of the five "Dimensions of Touch" with the ability to map them to any desired parameter. If this were to be implemented, Zebra 3 would need to have far more than just 24 modulation slots (I think. Please correct me if I'm wrong.) I don't know if this goes against Urs' personal philosophy of not wanting infinite options when it comes to sound design or making music, but I can say that as someone who uses these functions in Equator I think they would be masterful additions to a more powerful soft synth. Anyone have any MPE related suggestions or better ways of implementing what I am requesting?

Edit: I forgot to add that the "dimensions of touch" are not exclusive to the ROLI. As far as I know, the other popular midi controllers use the same ones. I am just approaching this from the perspective of someone whose only MPE controller is ROLI, and I think they have done the best job of pushing MPE in to the mainstream.

Right, and what’s especially important for the Roli controllers is that there is no way of adjusting a pressure threshold from the keyboard. This makes a pressure curve that can shunt the first 10% or so of pressure, and then nicely curve to the rest of the range, very important.