Oberheim vs. Oberheim

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Boss Lovin' DR
7850 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from the grimness of yorkshire

Post Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:24 am

BONES wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:52 am



Finally, Serum is a synth, no real man would be caught dead using it.
I'll just be in the car park if you need me.

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KVRAF
12344 posts since 22 Nov, 2000 from Southern California

Post Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:37 am

Spencer Maddox wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:59 am
Serums filters are better then the Oberheims. Just use German LP. It’s sounds extra warm and analougueyish. I think this is because of the special analogue sauce they put into it.
Technically speaking, it's a demi-glace, a mother sauce.
Actually, I will not address any of that and rather admit; you are correct Bones, us blasted kids need to become real men like you, in a testosterone filled rage I shall now open up Obsession and play the Tom Sayer lead so loud everyone in my city will be able to hear it.
Tom Sawyer must played with your feet! It makes it extra analougueyish.

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addled muppet weed
77682 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

Post Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:38 am

todays leo sayer is a modern day warrior...

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GRRRRRRR!
11414 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle

Post Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:41 pm

Do you guys want him back? He seems like such a fish out of water here and we really don't need him at all.
Spencer Maddox wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:59 am
Serums filters are better then the Oberheims. Just use German LP. It’s sounds extra warm and analougueyish.
How does that make it better? There are plenty of really shitty analogue filters out there. e.g. Moog Ladder Filter. OTOH, there is no better filter in the entire universe than the SEM's, and I've looked in every galaxy, just to be sure. If one ever existed, it was swallowed by a black hole a long time ago (yet might still be visible on the event horizon).
Serums unison is also vastly superior to the OB. The OB unison is only useful for making the Jump sound over and over again. Serums unison is powerful. It’s not even in the same ballpark as the Ob, it’s in the majors while the OB plays Tball.
That's not very handy if you are trying to sound like an Oberheim, though, is it?
Actually, I will not address any of that and rather admit; you are correct Bones, us blasted kids need to become real men like you, in a testosterone filled rage I shall now open up Obsession and play the Tom Sayer lead so loud everyone in my city will be able to hear it.
Actually, Obsession is, at best, a bit androgynous, hardly a synth for real men, either. Real men go straight for the SEM, or something modelled on it. if they can't get a SEM, then a Polyvoks filter will do, or one of Korg's more aggressive sounding filters. But if you ever hope to grow a decent mat of back hair, it's SEM all the way.
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KVRian
836 posts since 30 Jun, 2014 from Pacific NW

Post Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:01 pm

@BONES re: SEM

I can only speak from the currently most current modern hardware implementation: yes, the SEM can be a beast. Or it can be delicate. It’s quite fascinating and I’ve spent hours on hours just turning knobs and listening to it instead of doing anything. It’s worse than Omnisphere that way! Heh.

I enjoy the sound of Obsession and am glad I have it. Oberhausen is a nice compliment to the Ob-6, without which I’m certain I’d use oberhausen more.

Unison on oberhausen is fairly impressive. However, depending on the patch, all 6 voices (2 oscillators plus sub per voice) on the OB-6 in unison can be even more powerful than 32 software ones. I tend to like 1 or 2 voices more... cleaner sounding than massive and massively detuned oscillators. But sometimes 5 or 6 is perfect.

Edit: I also added Acidbox3 to get another 12db dirty beast I can use on hardware or software synths.
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KVRAF
9224 posts since 17 Nov, 2015

Post Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:14 pm

Real men use a 303 and 101

best filters in the world ever!

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GRRRRRRR!
11414 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle

Post Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:28 pm

vitocorleone123 wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:01 pm
I can only speak from the currently most current modern hardware implementation: yes, the SEM can be a beast. Or it can be delicate. It’s quite fascinating and I’ve spent hours on hours just turning knobs and listening to it instead of doing anything. It’s worse than Omnisphere that way! Heh.
Pretty cool when you think that SEM is just about as simple as synths get, while Omnisphere is the exact opposite. Yet both manage to be equally beguiling.
Unison on oberhausen is fairly impressive. However, depending on the patch, all 6 voices (2 oscillators plus sub per voice) on the OB-6 in unison can be even more powerful than 32 software ones. I tend to like 1 or 2 voices more... cleaner sounding than massive and massively detuned oscillators. But sometimes 5 or 6 is perfect.
I'm the same - with my favourite synths, 3 voices is my standard but sometimes I'll go to 5 (odd numbers means you always get one voice at the root tuning). I also like to use unison on one osc and leave the other one solo and mixed louder, which makes it more like a lead/backing vocals situation. However, there are some synths with a weaker unison implementation that seem to require as many voices as you can possibly muster and, even then, barely manage to be passable.
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KVRer
8 posts since 10 Nov, 2012

Post Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:51 am

If you want to check out a powerful (and reasonably priced) VST, seriously OP-1 X Pro II is just as good as any hardware. This video is a demo of the powerful arp
https://youtu.be/qG8RpZ4K4l4

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KVRAF
7604 posts since 11 Jun, 2006

Post Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:30 am

poopinpants wrote:
Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:45 pm
What about obxd?
yep, if anyone is good enough at composing, mixing and producing, no one listening to that well done music would be able to tell if you used
OBXD or any other emu.
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KVRist
34 posts since 10 Apr, 2013

Post Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:37 am

Juljan wrote:
Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:44 am
But as I understand correctly, there are different models that are emulated. Which one would you pick?
I think none of them is just a straight clone since all of them offer added features the original hardware didn't have, which makes the borders between the models somehow fluid.

So imho the question is if the plugin a) offers the features you need and b) if it can deliver the sound(s) you're out for.

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KVRist
50 posts since 11 Jun, 2019

Post Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:24 pm

I don't get it, they're just simple 2 oscillator analog synths with a bit of alternating panning, any softsynth that can be made unstable or panned does the job. OP-X was made 10 years ago in Synthedit and doesn't do any fancy state-of-the-art physical modelling technology like Arturia does. :hihi:

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KVRAF
10921 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area

Post Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:45 pm

If you don’t have them all, you’re not a complete person.
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KVRAF
10921 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area

Post Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:55 pm

cyrb wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:24 pm
I don't get it, they're just simple 2 oscillator analog synths with a bit of alternating panning, any softsynth that can be made unstable or panned does the job. OP-X was made 10 years ago in Synthedit and doesn't do any fancy state-of-the-art physical modelling technology like Arturia does. :hihi:
Incorrect. OP-X was custom coded but used Synthedit for UI only. I’ve not put OP-X II up next to OB-Xa, but it wouldn’t tell me much as OP-Xa V is modeled after an OP-Xa and OP-X II is modeled after an OB-X. Similar but different synths.

It’s one of those things were if it means something to you, it probably means a lot. “...any soft synth that can be made unstable or panned does the job” for you. If you want something that does those things and actually sounds like a vintage Oberheim... well “any soft synth” isn’t going to do it.
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KVRAF
12344 posts since 22 Nov, 2000 from Southern California

Post Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:26 pm

The real OB-Xa is such a shite synth.

KVRAF
4395 posts since 22 Nov, 2012

Post Wed Mar 03, 2021 2:55 pm

AnX wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:14 pm
Real men use a 303 and 101

best filters in the world ever!
can confirm the three pole is sorely missed in most instruments.

edit: if you can link a one pole and a two pole together you are good tho.

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