Another DAW with piano roll as great as FL Studio?

[Trancit]

That should be possible as well.

MIDI piano roll > left drag > change Ctrl to "Marquee select notes (just select)"

Or does FL do something special with its marquee selection?

No, what you suspected works exactly like in FLS...
Nice find!!

So, Reaper let´s you define the mouse behaviour 100% identical to FL Studio...

It only lacks most of FLS´ advanced tools, but that´s nothing new... no other DAW offers something like this with the same useability ...

[GMusic]

It seems like you're simply not familiar with the tools available and expect them to be working out-of-the-box like FL does.

...But no, I don't think FL Studio is exactly working out of the box.

It took me many years to find what I wanted to do and customize FL Studio to my liking...

No, I mean you seem to expect other DAWs working out-of-the-box like FL did (after you've learned it and set up to your liking). I mean that's a very common error with people changing DAWs - thay come here & ask "how do I do [...] in X like I was doing for years in Y" without really bothering to investigate and understand the core differences in architecture, design principles, paradigms. Despite all of them being "DAWs" as a type of software , they were not all created for the same reasons, workflows, even music styles. I like to think there's always a reason why certain function is implemented like it is, so my approach is to understand why this is the case and adjust my workflow (if possible), rather than force my old habits onto a new software. Also, there must've been a reason you're looking to switch from FL to something else, so it's often necessary to sacrifice some things for others, that at given stage are more important for you. Otherwise it doesn't make sense switching

I was focusing on the behavior of the piano roll midi drawing - that is simply 1 click draw, 1 click delete, easy select and shorten or lengthen notes. That is specified in my original post. I wasn't expecting everything to be like FL Studio and I was not "...not bothering to investigate and understand the core differences..."

I am looking for other DAW options since FL Studio has become so convoluted to me. I know the program fairly well. It's just that they are trying to implement things that other DAWs have already long established (e.g. track lanes). But, in doing so, it creates more workarounds their current system of step sequencers, patterns, free mixer track assignments, etc.

I think the main issue I have is the step sequencer and patterns. I wish it would just go away. With dedicated lanes, there is no urgent need to have to use a step sequencer to house all the VSTi and no real need to keep a long list of dozens or hundreds of patterns. At least, it's just not how I envision a straight-forward work flow. In time, I'm sure it will be streamlined or at least given options to do so, but I suppose I just want a fresh start somewhere else in the meantime to see what's out there.

[anomandaris1]

Reaper should be able to replicate FL piano roll, but you need to mess with the settings.

[EdgarRothermich]

How about Logic? Super simple, one single Trackpad gesture:

• Tap with three fingers in the Piano Roll and it creates a new Note Event

• Tap with three fingers in the Piano Roll on a Note Event to delete it

Won't get easier than that, no modifier keys needed at all.

For any other super-fancy click actions, just use BetterTouchTool (or any other mouse macro utility) and create pretty much any click sequence you like and assign it to a Trackpad gesture.

[xbitz]

It seems like you're simply not familiar with the tools available and expect them to be working out-of-the-box like FL does.

...But no, I don't think FL Studio is exactly working out of the box.

It took me many years to find what I wanted to do and customize FL Studio to my liking...

No, I mean you seem to expect other DAWs working out-of-the-box like FL did (after you've learned it and set up to your liking). I mean that's a very common error with people changing DAWs - thay come here & ask "how do I do [...] in X like I was doing for years in Y" without really bothering to investigate and understand the core differences in architecture, design principles, paradigms. Despite all of them being "DAWs" as a type of software , they were not all created for the same reasons, workflows, even music styles. I like to think there's always a reason why certain function is implemented like it is, so my approach is to understand why this is the case and adjust my workflow (if possible), rather than force my old habits onto a new software. Also, there must've been a reason you're looking to switch from FL to something else, so it's often necessary to sacrifice some things for others, that at given stage are more important for you. Otherwise it doesn't make sense switching

I was focusing on the behavior of the piano roll midi drawing - that is simply 1 click draw, 1 click delete, easy select and shorten or lengthen notes. That is specified in my original post. I wasn't expecting everything to be like FL Studio and I was not "...not bothering to investigate and understand the core differences..."

I am looking for other DAW options since FL Studio has become so convoluted to me. I know the program fairly well. It's just that they are trying to implement things that other DAWs have already long established (e.g. track lanes). But, in doing so, it creates more workarounds their current system of step sequencers, patterns, free mixer track assignments, etc.

I think the main issue I have is the step sequencer and patterns. I wish it would just go away. With dedicated lanes, there is no urgent need to have to use a step sequencer to house all the VSTi and no real need to keep a long list of dozens or hundreds of patterns. At least, it's just not how I envision a straight-forward work flow. In time, I'm sure it will be streamlined or at least given options to do so, but I suppose I just want a fresh start somewhere else in the meantime to see what's out there.

I'm just started to learn seriously the PR of Studio One v5, just wondering what was wrong with it for me seems everything nice and simple, only have had to remap the side mouse buttons to 1-6 to able to swap between the arrow/audition tool

btw. Bitwig also uses the left/right draw/erase FL schema worth the check that one too

ps. S1, *score view also can be handled nicely needs only the mouse and the num keys 1-arrow tool 2-swap between arrow and notes 3+ notes with different lengths 3+ again swapping between notes and rests

[EnGee]

FL Studio can be used as a VSTi or Rewire slave, right?

[Anlon]

Yes, if the host allows it.

[Trancit]

But never worked without tons of problems and doesn´t help here at all...

[EnGee]

But never worked without tons of problems and doesn´t help here at all...

What problems are there running FLS as VSTi or ReWire slave in Reaper? And why doesn't help if he/she wants to use FLStudio's Piano Roll in other DAWs?!

[Trancit]

But never worked without tons of problems and doesn´t help here at all...

What problems are there running FLS as VSTi or ReWire slave in Reaper?

1. FLS VSTi never worked properly in terms of staying in sync with the host and looping in the Playlist
2. No proper rendering of sound coming out of FLS VSTi
3. Quite unstable
4. No keyboard shortcuts working properly or are blocked by default
5. Many pops/clicks, double notes, ackward workflow and general behaviour... no VSTi at all is better than this VSTi...

And why doesn't help if he/she wants to use FLStudio's Piano Roll in other DAWs?!

Because it would be the world´s worst workflow to route FLS VSTi midi wise to all instrument tracks you want to steer... at least for 16 midi channels... then you need a new instance of the VSTi...not to speak about double arranging and timing issues...

This might be the mother of the most wonkiest (does this exist??? ) workarounds but in praxis there are easier methods to drive yourself into madness...

Seriously... you cannot consider this type of workflow would be helpful ...even using the worst PR editor in existence would be better than working like this...

[EnGee]

You seem to have tested it thoroughly. So maybe learning to play with some knowledge of music theory is the best way to go for the OP. It frees him/her from depending on a specific piano roll

[pottering]

Consider Liquid Music and RapidComposer, both are very powerful, both decouple rhythm, pitch, scale and chords, you can change one without changing the others.

You can draw the notes, but the drawing is actually separate from the notes (I know that sounds weird), then you can change the rhythm, number of voices (to make a chord), the scale and chord the notes conform to, etc.

http://www.musicdevelopments.com/rc.html

https://www.wavedna.com/liquid-music/

[Passing Bye]

Not really my business and really have no intentions to offend anyone, but picking DAW based on that feature is just crazy, there's so much other features one DAW can offer that deleting notes in piano roll with right click, delete key or eraser tool should be least of your worries, I mean you are leaving DAW that does that, but fails in other stuff, think you are making same mistake again, but your problem.

[oneway]

Not really my business and really have no intentions to offend anyone, but picking DAW based on that feature is just crazy, there's so much other features one DAW can offer that deleting notes in piano roll with right click, delete key or eraser tool should be least of your worries, I mean you are leaving DAW that does that, but fails in other stuff, think you are making same mistake again, but your problem.

Agreed. At first I thought the discussion was about the compositional tools that FL Studio and to a lesser extent Cubase/S1 have. Turned out it was more about which buttons were used for specific functions. In that case, go REAPER, it’s the only linear DAW where you can completely customize your mouse functions. To each their own.

[tooneba]

You seem to have tested it thoroughly. So maybe learning to play with some knowledge of music theory is the best way to go for the OP. It frees him/her from depending on a specific piano roll

But seeing many classically trained film composer using one of the best piano roll daw in the world, Cubase, those skill didn’t nullify their tendency of choice.