MSF: sample / note plays on release?

[Tagirijus]

Hey there,

I really thought I would know MSF in and out already, haha ... unluckily I am stuck. Or maybe it is not possible after all and this could become a FR:

How is it possible to let a sample (or maybe even an oscillator) start on note release only?

Think about release-samples, for example. Is this clear enough or do I have to elaborate it a bit more?

[MeldaProduction]

Yes! But think about it - the entire Generator tab reacts to the incoming note and since it is driven by the global envelope, it can NOT trigger anything when the key is released.
So, it's in the FX tab - all you need to do is to insert another MSF instance, right click on it and there are MIDI settings. There will be more in the next version btw . Stuff like what defines the release velocity...

[Tagirijus]

I'm looking forward to it. Using another MSF module in the FX section seems a bit overkill to me for just having "release-samples". )= .... it would also destroy the overview of the whole matrix and concept of the device. Maybe I'll work without release samples for now, then. But still: if MSF should be able to compete with e.g. Kontakt some easier solution for having release samples would be a good thing, I think.

Regarding the "global envelope thing": wouldn't it be an option to let the e.g. sample module just use the release part of the global envelope then? Maybe I do not see the overall problem here, so it's just a very quick thought, haha!

[MeldaProduction]

As I said, the Generator can and never will be able to host that. It may seem like an overkill to put another instance of MSF into MSF, but it actually works very well and there are already a few devices, which use ONLY MSFs inside itself .
Sampler could technically switch to a sample, but to be honest, that would work very very badly, exactly because of the global envelope. There would be all sorts of problems, not mentioning it would be hard to design...

[Tagirijus]

Hm I see. Just for some clarifitcation, and maybe user might be able to help as well to not waste your time to much on this issue, but:

(This is a MSF preset, which should be paste-able)

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I cannot make the OSC inside the MSF inside the FX section sound and I feel quite stupid now, since I thought I know MSF in and out, haha. I can see the ADRS seems to get MIDI input on Note-Off, but I only hear the first OSC from the main MSF instance. Am I doing something wrong? o-:

[MeldaProduction]

Damn! Looks like a bug, checking it out!

[MeldaProduction]

Aaaaha, I know, you enabled Percussive for the global ADSR. The problem is, the release "note" is virtually zero in length, so...

[MeldaProduction]

Aaaah, wait it's default, damn, I need to make it more bulletproof...

[Tagirijus]

Thanks for looking into it!

This works now:

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