Making a case for a score editor add - on for Waveform

[zzz00m]

Maybe we need a poll where everyone gets one vote.

Why not? Bugfixing vs Notation.

I'm not against new features, I'm for proper priorities.

Have you opened support tickets for your bugs, with a reproducible step by step for each?

[Kott]

Maybe we need a poll where everyone gets one vote.

Why not? Bugfixing vs Notation.

I'm not against new features, I'm for proper priorities.

Have you opened support tickets for your bugs, with a reproducible step by step for each?

No, I'm just theorizing!

[piccolo]

MuseScore is working on a big update, including VST and NotePerformer support!
https://musescore.org/en/MuseScore4
Maybe Tracktion could strike some open source partnership there? A mutual benefit?

Exciting news, really. But I'd rather hope for fixing of bugs in current state of Waveform.

There is always the guy in [fill in the name of DAW forum here] who says this anytime a discussion of notation is a DAW is brought up.

But no DAW will ever be very interesting to the educational market (which normally teaches music theory using little blobs on a staff view) until it has at least some form of notation integrated. Many of those students will go on to use the tools that they learned on someday in their musical careers.

So I say grow the market for Waveform by making it appeal to a wider audience. More money, more bug fixes!

Couldn’t agree more!
There are some bugs, but not so bad! Bugs are not preventing one to do his work or stoping to grow the market! But lack of notation is! IMO integration of notation will lead to new user base!

[zzz00m]

Maybe we need a poll where everyone gets one vote.

Why not? Bugfixing vs Notation.

I'm not against new features, I'm for proper priorities.

Have you opened support tickets for your bugs, with a reproducible step by step for each?

No, I'm just theorizing!

Well whenever someone jumps into a thread with "the sky is falling" attitude, and that we need to put a priority on bug fixes, I really have to question what the hell they are going on about.

So that's why I asked about support tickets. It's the only way that the devs can fix the bugs, is if they are properly reported.

And no, KVR is NOT a proper support channel! Most newbies do not understand this. Just a place that some folks come to axe grind and push their agenda. Actually not very helpful as far as fixing the bugs you are whining about...

[Kott]

There are some bugs, but not so bad!

Not bad? I believe in that if you use Mac. Otherwise lacking of GUI is still here viewtopic.php?f=22&t=547421 viewtopic.php?f=22&t=547421 viewtopic.php?f=22&t=543050

[Kott]

Maybe we need a poll where everyone gets one vote.

Why not? Bugfixing vs Notation.

I'm not against new features, I'm for proper priorities.

Have you opened support tickets for your bugs, with a reproducible step by step for each?

No, I'm just theorizing!

Well whenever someone jumps into a thread with "the sky is falling" attitude, and that we need to put a priority on bug fixes, I really have to question what the hell they are going on about.

So that's why I asked about support tickets. It's the only way that the devs can fix the bugs, is if they are properly reported.

And no, KVR is NOT a proper support channel! Most newbies do not understand this. Just a place that some folks come to axe grind and push their agenda. Actually not very helpful as far as fixing the bugs you are whining about...

It was sarcasm

[Kott]

Well whenever someone jumps into a thread with "the sky is falling" attitude, and that we need to put a priority on bug fixes, I really have to question what the hell they are going on about.

When someone says "did you report bugs?" it looks like no more args left.
There is no public bugzilla for Tracktion. So either I answer "yes" or "no" it has no proofs.
By the way I did, and sometimes with success to be fair.

[Kott]

And no, KVR is NOT a proper support channel! Most newbies do not understand this. Just a place that some folks come to axe grind and push their agenda. Actually not very helpful as far as fixing the bugs you are whining about...

What about this thread? Just place for whiners?
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=482914

[zzz00m]

And no, KVR is NOT a proper support channel! Most newbies do not understand this. Just a place that some folks come to axe grind and push their agenda. Actually not very helpful as far as fixing the bugs you are whining about...

What about this thread? Just place for whiners?
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=482914

Mostly! Ha! KVR! But actually a good place to interact with the developers.

But if you have paid attention they usually recommend this for actual support with your product: https://tracktion.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

[Kott]

I know about zendesk and support e-mail. Could you give Tracktion shareholders contact? Maybe it will help my whining.

No joke, what I see:
There is only two active devs, Dave and Roland AFAIK. Dave is working on PDC in Racks, this is complex task and requires R&D. Don't know on what tasks Roland is busy, maybe updating to JUCE6, don't know.
And there is confirmed bad issues in Waveform. Should they switch to another big feature at now?

[zzz00m]

And there is confirmed bad issues in Waveform.

I seriously doubt that.

[Kott]

And there is confirmed bad issues in Waveform.

I seriously doubt that.

Doubt you or not, but they are ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[bobgreene]

I, for one, have a problem with not having staff notation in any DAW, as any music student must, at the very least, learn staff notation in their studies, and all [real] composers of music [no matter what genre] that are used in royalty money makers [film, orchestra, etc.] must know how to write/read it to be able to get trained musicians to play the parts from lead sheets. I don't know about anyone else, but if I just wanted to play music in my bedroom, not worrying about going further, then not knowing/not using staff notation would not matter. But I taught myself staff notation long ago [outside school/college] for the simple reason that it is needed in the true professional music production scene. Therefore, I tend not to use a DAW that doesn't have the ability to write my music parts on staff notation. This is the reason I have liked Cakewalk since the early days, as it has always had standard, the ability to write staff notation to fire the MIDI loops required, as well as to make your own instrument definitions for such. Piano roll is great for quick corrections of single to bulk problems in the arrangement, but my initial writing is done on staff, as I can even write complicated drum parts in a lot less hours than using piano roll, and those serious musicians who want to play those parts, both percussion and musical, with ease of understanding of the parts and their nuances, simply by following the staff notation. I can go to the local college and pull people from there to record parts by giving them a copy of the lead sheets the day before, and they will get it right almost on the first take in recording, not wasting time in the recording segment of the project. And yes, my setup is in a room smaller than most people would have their setup, and I still have all the instruments, including electric drums inside the room for use and can pull one person in at a time to record [sometimes 2 people for continuity]. So, staff should be a basic part of any DAW, no matter whether free or paid.

[Watchful]

Or you could export the project as a MIDI file and pull it into MuseScore in 2 minutes. Which is what most of us do.

[talby]

I understood bobgreen the other way round. If I understood him correctly then he is missing in a DAW a functionality which transforms digital staff notation to a MIDI file, like an automatic translation from a MuseScore staff notation file to a MIDI file.