Official T2 Notice

[haydxn]

I'm not a 'techie' - I'm a composer and producer and turning my ideas into music as simply and quickly as possible is my main concern - yes, it maybe took you ten minutes to figure out how to add a vsti but you only have to learn it once. - and if you would have downloaded the helpfile you could have found it out within a minute.

I'd love to give eXT to one of the local groups around here that uses GarageBand and see what happened... I'd bet $20 they'd toss it within minutes.

eXT is for tweakers, admit it.

...

Too bad the demo won't even save or I'd do some serious testing.

i absolutely love eXT. i think it's awesome.

but as it stands, i personally have a hard time using it as a normal sequencer. i'm sure it's perfectly capable of it, i'm certain that it's wonderful... but i don't really know how to use it in that way, and it doesn't lend itself to the "instantly accessible" operability that Tracktion has. i know i can find out how to do it, and then i won't need to find out again, but at the same time i only had to learn how to use logic once; fair play i learned a lot from it, but if i want to just whack something down it's fine to just use Tracktion, i'm very comfortable there.

but of course i bloody love eXT and use it all the time. i'm certain that i couldn't live without it now! my setup relies on both Tracktion AND energyXT, and that's a setup that i'm MORE than happy with

btw, you can save in the eXT demo. you just can't load what you've saved until you've registered it.

[Ixox]

I love Tracktion but it severly needs an fresh update.... The competition go ahead so quickly.

Still several months to wait before :

- having real automation possibilities.... At least BEING ABLE TO SEE AN AUTOMATION POINT VALUES WITHOUT MOVING IT.....
- looping multi layer audio recording....
- Control Tracktion with a midi controler....
- Having a simple send (????)....
- Being able to undo the vol/pan (???)...
- being able to correctly modify the velocity of several notes...
- being able to Modify the length of a set of midi notes at the same time...
- Having a midi editor than can compete with other sequencers.

[headquest]

Hi there...

Lunch Money, I agree that it's good to see Beno put in an appearance. We can at least be certain now that T2 is still on the cards...

But I agree with the others here who are basically saying "thanks for nothing".

There's nought wrong with saying "we hope to implement..., possibly in T2...which we hope to hoave out next summer, but can't promise..."

As it is, we can now be certain that we won't be seeing T2 till the middle of next year, by which time I get the impression many of you will have finally mastered the bizaare program that is eXT.

[simpletim]

I'm sorry, but you sound like a bunch of ingrates. They didn't have to say anything. At least they are acknowledging that you guys are wondering and are letting you know that your voices are heard. How many times have you heard that from say Cubase or Logic or ANYONE ELSE?? It's not like you're unable to make music because of Tracktion. Remember when you first got it and you appreciated it? Try doing that again. Or move to another host so you're not dragging down the forum.

[jens]

. At least they are acknowledging that you guys are wondering and are letting you know that your voices are heard. How many times have you heard that from say Cubase or Logic or ANYONE ELSE??

What makes you think this way?

Can't say anything aboiut Cubase or Logic but regarding the big ones check e.g. here:

http://www.kvr-vst.com/forum/profile.ph ... ile&u=5801

(and they have their own forum where he (as well as Cakewalk CEO and others) posts much more often.

But you can't really compare Tracktion with the big boys. You might not know this, but there are a lot of users here who roamed this forum long before Mackie appeared on the scene.


All in all your post is very annoying to me.

[jtxx000]

All in all your post is very annoying to me.

... btw, this morning I tried out the sequencer and I have to say for MIDI stuff, it seems like a pretty good workflow. It was fairly easy to set it looping and make up stuff as you go.

[jens]

Are you speaking about eXT, Jaytex?


I could write much more about Paul's post b.t.w. - but then I'd start

[jtxx000]

Are you speaking about eXT, Jaytex?

ooo... Jaytex... i like it ... But yeah I was talking about eXT. It also froze on me this morning , but I think that was just a one time thing because it's the only time it's ever crashed.

[simpletim]

@ Jens: I was unaware of the forum posts for the other software so I whole heartedly apologize. I didn't do any research and I was wrong to jump to conclusions. My point is this: When I bought Tracktion people couldn't say enough good stuff about it. Now that the major players that you apparently can't compare it to have released updates, everyone in Tracktionville is suddenly ready to string Jules and Mackie up. And it's not like they've cancelled development. We all know it's coming out. I don't feel like some of us appreciate what we have. This is a piece of software written by one guy that has changed how all the major players write their software. It will soon be a major player. What happens if ext's dev signs up with a distributor? If his quick updates slow down will you guys string him up too? I just don't feel like anyone shows any appreciation to Jules anymore. I do. I don't understand how a piece of software that was fine 6 mos. ago is no longer any good. My writing hasn't suffered because of a lack of T2. I feel like certain people are punching a gifthorse in the mouth. I'm sad that supporting a developer makes me a bad person, but I'm still going to support him. I think T is the best.

[Breakpete]

paul_is_dead, I think that 6 months ago people were hoping that the problems they might have had with T would be resolved soonish (such as buggy midi). After a while, it is obvious that these bugfixes probably won't appear before T2.

I don't really care that all the other hosts are getting lots of new features, I mainly want Ts current functionality to work 100%.

T is a great application that I would love to use more, but in the end the few bugs that remain force me to constantly use workarounds, and that is dampening my enjoyment of the program.

Still, I don't understand why people are so pessimistic and so quick to jump ship. The fact is we don't know when T2 will be out, so how e.g. headquest can say it is another 6 months away is beyond me.

Do you know something I don't?

Just be glad we're not in the same boat as the unfortunate Reason bunch, who don't even know for sure Reason 3 is coming.

[jens]

I'm sad that supporting a developer makes me a bad person, but I'm still going to support him. I think T is the best.

no-one said you're a bad person

but if you check my posts form half a year ago a lot of bugs, problems and misconceptions already bothered me big time then. The're things people have been criticizing more than one year ago which still haven't been fixed.

[jens]

On the other hand:

the very first beta of eXT's sequencer which even didn't have midi-in, audio-tracks, fx inserts etc. - which virtually could do nothing at that time appeared
around christmas last year.

[headquest]

It is certainly refreshing when developers do post on these forums - the cakewalk example is a very good one, and I am very impressed with their attitude towards customers. While I don't personally use any of their software, I find Sonar a temptation and the attitude of the developers is certainly one of the draws.

Other good examples include Jorgen or eXT, Peter from Linplug and of course Torben from Kjaerhus. And there are no doubt plenty of others.

Jules used to be one of them. This forum used to be a buzz with interesting threads, many of which Jules used to contribute to in order to help users. I think some people who have been with Tracktion for a while now miss him.

Regarding Tracktion 1 still being a great program, I have no dispute with that, although I no longer use it as a rewire host for Reason, because I gave up trying to make it work without dropping the first note. OK, so you can offset the start of your tune to miss out the first bar, but you shouldn't need "work-arounds" when software you paid for has a fault. So I started using Audition as a program in which I could master and add vocals/etc to my Reason tracks. And this is a pity because Tracktion is ideal on paper.

I think that the other propblem here is that in his post from - CRUMBS! - five months ago, Ben was talking about pricing, from which quite a few of us wrongly gleaned that T2 was imminent, and that the final marketing issues were being resolved prior to the launch.

Sadly this proved not to be the case, so it now seems to us as though we have waited an age for something we thought was incoming. In one sense of course this proves Mackie's point about talking too soon about the product. But on the other hand it suggests that even within Mackie, they don't really have any clue when Tracktion 2 will finally really be ready...

Tracktion is a very good piece of software - great for its price - and it could be THE BEST. The potential we see in it is the thing that has kept us interested thus far.

[Ixox]

paul_is_dead, I think that 6 months ago people were hoping that the problems they might have had with T would be resolved soonish (such as buggy midi). After a while, it is obvious that these bugfixes probably won't appear before T2.

The number is closer to 15 months ago for those who were already here.....

[SuitcaseOfLizards]

paul_is_dead, I think that 6 months ago people were hoping that the problems they might have had with T would be resolved soonish (such as buggy midi). After a while, it is obvious that these bugfixes probably won't appear before T2.

The number is closer to 15 months ago for those who were already here.....

That's the thing that's bothered me the most - there aren't any real *showstopper* bugs, but there are a number of termites and such that make me keep having to stop on occasion and find/recall a workaround. It's this that makes me go out and look at other hosts, since T2 will be a "version 1" product again and all V1 products have bugs.. it'd be nice to have the little issues in T1 fixed *first*, but I don't think it's going to happen. Sigh.