v3 Beta Feedback And Discussion (Bugs, Features, Suggestions)

[sj1]

right click the play button and turn on "start play back at timeline selection" and "Stop Play back at timeline selection"..

OK, thanks, I observe that turning both of those options back on makes the loop actually loop again, while making the playback head start location unaffective.

Still though, what we don't have here, and what we should have IMO, is for the loop on/off switch to "do it's job" logically and consistently in all cases.

IOW, if playback enters the loop area while the loop on/off switch is on, then playback will henceforth loop, always.

It makes no sense to me (to anyone?) to have loop playback on and then have the program not loop!

Further, "normally" (if I may use that term) one would expect playback to start at the location of the playback head, wherever it happens to be, either in, before, or after the loop area.

"Start play back at timeline selection" (IOW, ignore the position of the playback head) then becomes an option the user can choose when/if they wish to most rapidly define new loop areas and play them back w/o having to move the position of the playback head manually. I do get why that could be useful at some points in some workflows, but IMO such is not the logical default.

I see the logical default as: a) playback head governs playback start point and b) loop on/off governs loop on/off. There need not be any conflict arising from this (witness, I think, every DAW I use).

Also: I lovingly suggest new keyboard shortcuts for: "Locate playback head to start of timeline selection area" and "Locate playback head to end of timeline selection area".

[musicdevelopments]

Hi, thank you. This happens because for some reason the Melody Editor phrase was not saved or restored properly. I am sill investigating how this could happen. So far I could not reproduce this, but it would be important to know how this inconsistent state occurred. Did you edit the melody in the Melody Editor tab? Was the Melody Editor phrase copied or pasted?

Thanks,
Attila

Hi,

I found a crash, simple and reliable to reproduce every time.

[BluGenes]

i'm also on a hot trail for disappearing phrases.. I think it is based on the melody generator used as an apply.. This also happens.. drop a melody phrase generator onto a phrase, then resize the phrase. Just holding the mouse down and dragging a little bit, while you hold the mouse, it constantly regenerates.

[sj1]

Hi, thank you. This happens because for some reason the Melody Editor phrase was not saved or restored properly. I am sill investigating how this could happen. So far I could not reproduce this, but it would be important to know how this inconsistent state occurred. Did you edit the melody in the Melody Editor tab? Was the Melody Editor phrase copied or pasted?

Hi. This is now deep in the mist of time. I can't tell you from memory the history of the melody, and the saved history in RC does not go back very far either. I'll try to make crashes happen sooner!

Also, I'm used to saving things manually under new names (01, 02, 02b, etc.) using Save Composition As ... . If I got in the habit of using Save Composition (Incremental) would that keep the history intact so as to be helpful in cases like this?

[musicdevelopments]

Yes, very good point, loop stopped working!
I am fixing this!
Thanks,
Attila

Hi again,

I'm observing cases where playback proceeds thru the loop area and continues out the right side rather than looping, even though 'Loop Playback' is highlighted.

[musicdevelopments]

The loop issue is fixed now.

I did not know it was such fun to have 2 Melody Editor phrases at a time, like this:



With the small left/right arrows you can create a new phrase, or return to a previous one. Assuming you have "Show History for Phrases" enabled in the settings.

[musicdevelopments]

By default only the last 10 states are stored, and older states are deleted, not to fill your harddisk with old files. It is possible to increase this number to 200.

You can use incremental saving, which starts a new history folder and preserves the older files.

Thanks,
Attila

Also, I'm used to saving things manually under new names (01, 02, 02b, etc.) using Save Composition As ... . If I got in the habit of using Save Composition (Incremental) would that keep the history intact so as to be helpful in cases like this?

[yellukhan]

uhmm!

something eats my phrases!
plus: if i right click to try to open the inspector RC crashes

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uwLdpe ... sp=sharing

[sj1]

Hi,

A minor point I notice in the History log -

The entries for 'Phrase replaced ...' generated from a dragging-in (a different generator) have much more information in them than the entries for 'Phrase Added' or for 'Phrase replaced' when done via the tiny arrows in the Composition view.

I'm thinking that the more extensive entries might be helpful for troubleshooting if they were available in all (or at least more) cases.

RC - Phrase replaced.jpg

In this case i was just doing an experiment of sequentially dragging in generators in order to redo a phrase, sometimes deleting it first, sometimes dragging onto it and choosing Replace Phrase.

It seems like it might be ideal from the troubleshooting POV if such an experiment were entirely self-documenting. OTOH, perhaps tracking too much information all the time would create other problems.

[sj1]

Feature Request -

When a given browser is open and focus has once been placed in it, please enable the up and down arrow keys to cause movement to the prior/next item, and please enable the Enter key to perform the same action as double-clicking would. (These could be defaults of optional choices if someone wants other keys to have these functions instead.)

RC - Navigating Docked Browsers 01.jpg

Also, after an enter or double-click action changes the overall view (e.g. when the Phrase Editor is entered) please allow a keyboard key (e.g. Esc) to bring us back to where we were (e.g. the Composition view).

In addition to that toggle-to-return operation, I also suggest a new set of keyboard shortcuts (e.g. Navigation (?) ) whereby we can use the keyboard to have the same effect directly as clicking on any of the primary navigation tabs.

RC - Navigation Tabs.jpg

The 'Workspace' set in the keyboard shortcuts is already quite long, so that is why I suggest a new set 'Navigation' (or other similar name).

[BluGenes]

uhmm!

something eats my phrases!
plus: if i right click to try to open the inspector RC crashes

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uwLdpe ... sp=sharing

EXACTLY the same issue I am having..

[musicdevelopments]

This is crazy!
I could not reproduce it so far, but I am sure it is the drop operation that fails. You can see the temporary phrase in the track which is then deleted. The phrase is not added to the track, because after a successful insertion the time position is placed after the phrase.
As soon as I can fix this, I'll upload a new update.

Thanks for the video!
Attila

uhmm!

something eats my phrases!

[BluGenes]

This is crazy!
I could not reproduce it so far, but I am sure it is the drop operation that fails. You can see the temporary phrase in the track which is then deleted. The phrase is not added to the track, because after a successful insertion the time position is placed after the phrase.
As soon as I can fix this, I'll upload a new update.

Thanks for the video!
Attila

uhmm!

something eats my phrases!

Don't forget this one...
viewtopic.php?p=7861270#p7861270

[musicdevelopments]

I am having a hard time with this bug.
Which was the last beta version that worked well?

uhmm!

something eats my phrases!

EXACTLY the same issue I am having..

[BluGenes]

Here is an example with the bug.. Select the chord phrase on the right and start moving it to the right.. The phrase on the left will regenerate..