Studio One 3,4,5 crashed too much.

[e@rs]

S1 1-4 (haven't tried 5 yet); Win7 (x86 and x64) and 10; RME and Steinberg interfaces. Total number of crashes <5, always because of third party plugins. So it's been EXTREMELY stable for me.

Maybe try a PC for a change?

[loganme]

I switched over from Ableton Live 10 Lite to S1 Five Artist to have unlimited tracks and I've yet to have it crash on me on a Windows 10 system. In fact, it's more stable than Ableton was as Ableton seemed to suck up CPU and RAM resources extremely quickly when using VST or two. I just bought a desktop for recording audio and some gaming and S1 also REALLY fast. Hope that stays true!

[CapnLockheed]

After using various flavors Steinie Cubendo I made the switch to S1 around V2. It's been solid and stable...especially when running it with Presonus hardware and drivers. The few occasional problems have been with buggy pluggies.....hardly Presonus' fault.

And, of course, this has ALWAYS, been on a pc. First Win7 then straight to Win10.
I had no use for 8/8.1. I still run legacy Win7 & XP legacy machines for various hardware and software that prefer those OS. Unlike some I refuse to run on the constant immediate first on the block to upgrade hamster wheel. Seems like Apple fans always want the new shiny "precious".

Plenty of whining from Mac Fanbois on Presonus and other DAW maker's forums about how their sacred Mac's no longer "just work" but it's somehow always the fault of DAW in question. It couldn't be that Apple is throwing their loyal fans further under the bus with each new OS rollout now could it? Actually refreshing after years of hearing smug and smarmy comments about the superiority of their chosen platform....like they knew this deep dark secret that we mere pc peasants just "didn't get".

Who's laughing now?

[jancivil]

I donno, but I'm not having problems with software you had problems with, Cubase, on my Mac like that *ever*.
Here the MBP 16.1 under Catalina does basically just work. I wouldn't assert anything is perfect.

Me, I stayed on 10.6.8 until a certain library needed an update of Kontakt, up to when 10.10 was new, then moved to 10.8.5. Never an avid early adopter and fortunately Catalina was nowhere near new when I set this system up.

Seems dissonant to talk about smug and follow with "Who's laughing now". I don't know what's bugging you about other people's choices. Sorry if people made you feel a peasant by being happy with something that's relatively hassle-free and saying so. I'm not sure who is meant by 'loyal fans', I curse Apple for certain things which are inconvenient; the gatekeeping thing takes three clicks and you're past it, though... still it irritates. I'm sure those people exist, but why focus on that. it all seems unnecessary.
Also I hate the iPad, I think it's botched in too many ways.
Maybe you could have a go at those people if they insulted you rather than in general on a forum with a broad viewership. Seems you're experiencing schadenfreude from other people's troubles, they're all such bad people. All the look is for me there is 'so you're not very happy'. I don't see the gain in being so insulting.

I'm using Cubase 10.5 on Catalina very successfully. A couple of small developers are not willing to code for Catalina - two I use, (Proximity - wrong, it's just the OS has to be manipulated into it) and a Kuassa amp sim (its dev has stated not interested, too much trouble) - but I can use something else. I am seeing people here mention S1 isn't as stable on a Mac, I have no idea of it. I will say that my Presonus Quantum audio interface is insanely low latency on this 2019 MBP under Catalina (IE: integrated well into the OS with very special drivers, bleeding edge) so I wonder about that, but I sure don't base my assessment on people's volume level on a dedicated forum, based in what I've seen over the years.

I hope you find some peace, ciao.

[CapnLockheed]

I am seeing people here mention S1 isn't as stable on a Mac, I have no idea of it.

Nor would you if you don't use it. Want to see a LOT more posts that say the same thing?
Go to the Presonus Forums. Some DAWS are more oriented towards Macs than pc's like Cubase and Logic. Cubase 10.5 is for shiite on a pc. That's one of the reasons I switched to S1....after V7 or so Cubase became a buggy bloated pig....but that's just the opinion....of hundreds of happy pc users that made the switch to S1.

Sorry you have a problem with evidence based facts. It's a fact that many Mac users blame devs for things that are Apple's doing. I stand by everything I said. All I did was repeat what other Mac users have stated for years on many pro audio and developer forums. If you're happy then I'm happy for you. Personally I never have and never will buy an Apple product. I just have no liking for overpriced closed systems. The point is that since Jobs died, Apple's goal for their pc's is to play nice with their #1 selling product...the iPhone. Hope you like the new Macs with ARM processors.

[oneway]

The point is that since Jobs died, Apple's goal for their pc's is to play nice with their #1 selling product...the iPhone.

I don’t see what this has to do with anything. It’s not focused on one platform or the other, Studio One has more Windows users so problems on Windows get noticed faster. End of story, applies to most plugins and DAWs.

Read the release notes for any of these- the fixes aren’t usually for compatibility with the OS/iPhone, they’re generally the same old ripple effects of adding features that break random features in other parts of the program. And since most of these companies rely on volunteer beta testers (or in many plugin devs case, no testers whatsoever) the difference is there’s way less people on Mac to catch these. It’s the price we pay for being cooler and smarter than everyone else, I suppose

[Passing Bye]

Cubase 10.5 is for shiite on a pc. That's one of the reasons I switched to S1....after V7 or so Cubase became a buggy bloated pig....but that's just the opinion....of hundreds of happy pc users that made the switch to S1.

So let's recap, you never had any personal experience with macOS (except what you read online) and you are current Studio One (probably fanboi) user that is blaming Steinberg for making Cubase buggy on Windows, but in the same time you are shifting blame away from Presonus for making S1 buggy on macOS?

[CapnLockheed]

WOW!! Did you actually READ my post?? The point is that MAC is throwing devs and pro multimedia users under the bus. The Complaints from Mac users AND developers grow with every new Mac OS update. It will only get worse when Apple switches to their new ARM processors. Many developers are simply giving up on the platform.

Available as a VST/VST3/AU plugin for Windows and macOS High Sierra/Mojave
Not compatible with macOS Catalina and up

There are literally hundreds of devs that have had enough of Apple's nonsense. I'm sure if I cared to waste my time, (and I don't), I could post a hundred links with that same message. But I have better things to do.

If you can't tell which way the wind is blowing, I would pity you. But you've only proven what I said in my original post. Your response is typical. Your smug attitude and air of superiority are on full display.

And BTW....you know NOTHING about me or what I use or don't use. I was forced to use Macs at my job as a graphic designer for years. So don't make assumptions about what you don't know. I am still occasionally FORCED to work on Macs in various studios. I don't like the platform...period...end of story.

I'm also done with this worthless conversation. Trying to debate a Mac fanboi is like trying to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.

You've already sunk to slinging personal insults. I don't respond to trash talk. Say whatever you like. I'm done with this BS.

Have a Wonderful Life!

[Passing Bye]

Likewise.

[jancivil]

I am seeing people here mention S1 isn't as stable on a Mac, I have no idea of it.

Sorry you have a problem with evidence based facts. It's a fact that many Mac users blame devs for things that are Apple's doing. I stand by everything I said.

Well, your evidence is essentially gossip.
Show us on the doll where Mac OS hurt you. I mean you aren't being made to use it, so what's it to you?

[Passing Bye]

One of the recent post's from Studio One 5 thread

I have exactly the same UI problem in Halion 6 and Studio One Pro 5 on Catalina. But it only seems to be a problem in Studio One. In Cubase 10.5 and Logic, Halion 6 does work without problems on my mac.

It’s only SO5 here too.
Hope Presonus fix it soon.

I'm not defending Apple, dislike their business model and things they are doing, they have their share in making developers life harder, but one should accept their share of responsibility, Presonus have business in making their app run great on macOS, other developers too, it's not the easiest task, but it's not impossible either, even Apple can't make their apps bug free on their own OS and hardware, even they screw themselves in whole updating process, that's reality.

But everyone is hurt in this process, you can't just slam some "Mac fanbois" and call it a day, people who aren't fanbois have same problems too, people who blame Apple still have problem, but only Presonus can fix that problem, end of story.

[BONES]

Studio One's stability in the 6 years I've been using the program since version 2.6 to 4.6 has been fairly solid and reliable on the PC platform. There are things you need to ensure to have great time with the program.

I think the key here is "on the PC platform". It is most likely that they do all their development on Windows and then port it to Mac, making it inevitable that it will run better on Windows. The same is true of most product development these days.

I mean you aren't being made to use it, so what's it to you?

Maybe he wasn't but I was for long enough, from the days of the PowerPC until the end of last year, and I agree with both his words and the sentiment behind them. There is simply nothing great, nothing magical or even anything much good, about macOS. It's just another computer OS, like all the others, and the hardware it runs on is no better than anything else at a similar price point. Choosing Mac over Windows only makes sense as a matter of personal preference or if you want to keep using Logic. In every other objective way it is a poor decision.

[revvy]

I am seeing people here mention S1 isn't as stable on a Mac, I have no idea of it.

Sorry you have a problem with evidence based facts. It's a fact that many Mac users blame devs for things that are Apple's doing. I stand by everything I said.

Well, your evidence is essentially gossip.
Show us on the doll where Mac OS hurt you. I mean you aren't being made to use it, so what's it to you?

It''s a fact that on this here forum it's not Mac users shitting regularly in Win threads but PC users shitting in Mac threads, often saying the same idle BS as the good Capn just did.

I'm with Jan.

FWIW when used S1 on a Mac for a few months it was stable but this was a few years ago now.

[kurviak]

I've been using S1 on a Mac since version 2 and it has been very stable until version 4. Sadly version 5 has not been that stable

[oneway]

I've been using S1 on a Mac since version 2 and it has been very stable until version 4. Sadly version 5 has not been that stable

Nearly all the bugs introduced in 5.0 that they’ve been fixing with maintenance updates are cross platform. They did switch over to Metal for the graphics on Mac, though, which probably added a few issues of its own. Mostly it’s plugins that I’ve seen have issues with Metal. That’s why they’ve been reminding users to use the latest versions of their 3rd party plugins and report issues to both them and the 3rd party when it involves a plugin.