Why you left Bitwig?

[machinesworking]

Yup... that is my biggest annoyance with Logic. Only one controller at a time! (Unless you use the Environment which is a nightmare)

I suppose if someone uses Push constantly, all the button combos may become second nature... but they never did for me. And when I wouldn’t use it for a month it felt like I was back to square 1

I prefer a tactile surface to the iPad screen, but first time I launched Logic Remote with 10.5 I had no trouble figuring everything out without any manual.

Logic Remote is not complete... but it works great and no doubt Apple will keep developing it.

And Logic 10.5 was a massive update!

Yeah, the problem with working in the environment to change how Logic addresses MIDI input probably hasn't changed since I tried it around version 8. If you rewire all of the MIDI inputs to not Sum, Mackie Control gets hosed. I'm sure the same thing would happen to any of the controllers you can use for Smart Controls.

AFA Push is concerned, honestly I use it a lot more with Bitwig, Moss's brain is wired more like mine than Ableton's apparently, I get a lot of use out of it, and am a little bummed the Apple Logic team so far only support Launchpads, but Push 2 support is a long shot I get it.

I use a Slate Raven with DP10, and I like it a lot for Mackie Control type functions, VST/AU plug in control etc. I like tactile, but the advantage of touch screens is obvious with DAWs IMO.

I think the obvious downside to getting an iPad now is that Apple is going all in on their own silicon, and my luck is as soon as I get one, they release a combination Macbook Pro / iPad that beats the crap out of a Microsoft Surface performance wise, and runs all of this Logic and Logic Control in one app intuitively.

[Biscotto]

Generally you don’t need to add more force... MPE needs more skill and nuance. MPE controllers have more sensitivity.

Ok then.
I watched several videos and I had the impression of not being able to be as comfortable as a piano and have a light touch.
We use to have 48st Sam Ash and Manny’s here. I’ll see if Guitar Center it’s open with this lock down.
Every day here, stores going out of business permanently. Sad!

If the MPE keyboard feels right I’ll be in the other thread

[pdxindy]

I think the obvious downside to getting an iPad now is that Apple is going all in on their own silicon, and my luck is as soon as I get one, they release a combination Macbook Pro / iPad that beats the crap out of a Microsoft Surface performance wise, and runs all of this Logic and Logic Control in one app intuitively.

The iPad is already Apple Silicon... I don’t see how it would get obsoleted. I think it highly likely that Apple will keep the two separate for at least a few years (macs and ipads). I do expect Apple to release an iPad version of Logic

[pdxindy]

Generally you don’t need to add more force... MPE needs more skill and nuance. MPE controllers have more sensitivity.

Ok then.
I watched several videos and I had the impression of not being able to be as comfortable as a piano and have a light touch.
We use to have 48st Sam Ash and Manny’s here. I’ll see if Guitar Center it’s open with this lock down.
Every day here, stores going out of business permanently. Sad!

If the MPE keyboard feels right I’ll be in the other thread

Osmose will be the one that is most like a regular keyboard... it doesn’t do pitch slides though

[machinesworking]

The iPad is already Apple Silicon... I don’t see how it would get obsoleted. I think it highly likely that Apple will keep the two separate for at least a few years (macs and ipads). I do expect Apple to release an iPad version of Logic

IMO what with the way Microsoft does the Surface etc, that it’s likely that iOS just becomes a mainly phone and watch version of OS X, which it more or less is already. iPad Pros are powerful enough to run OS X right now so I see no reason to attempt a port towards iOS, rather the option to use full OS X on the top end iPads. It will be interesting g to see how it plays out anyway.

[Biscotto]

Generally you don’t need to add more force... MPE needs more skill and nuance. MPE controllers have more sensitivity.

Ok then.
I watched several videos and I had the impression of not being able to be as comfortable as a piano and have a light touch.
We use to have 48st Sam Ash and Manny’s here. I’ll see if Guitar Center it’s open with this lock down.
Every day here, stores going out of business permanently. Sad!

If the MPE keyboard feels right I’ll be in the other thread

Osmose will be the one that is most like a regular keyboard... it doesn’t do pitch slides though

That brings my memories of the Prophet T8. Not the same but just a side memory of the after touch in the early days...
I’ll see what I can find in Manhattan. Thanks!

[pdxindy]

The iPad is already Apple Silicon... I don’t see how it would get obsoleted. I think it highly likely that Apple will keep the two separate for at least a few years (macs and ipads). I do expect Apple to release an iPad version of Logic

IMO what with the way Microsoft does the Surface etc, that it’s likely that iOS just becomes a mainly phone and watch version of OS X, which it more or less is already. iPad Pros are powerful enough to run OS X right now so I see no reason to attempt a port towards iOS, rather the option to use full OS X on the top end iPads. It will be interesting g to see how it plays out anyway.

Apple is slowly moving in that direction... But it won’t be soon

[pdxindy]

Generally you don’t need to add more force... MPE needs more skill and nuance. MPE controllers have more sensitivity.

Ok then.
I watched several videos and I had the impression of not being able to be as comfortable as a piano and have a light touch.
We use to have 48st Sam Ash and Manny’s here. I’ll see if Guitar Center it’s open with this lock down.
Every day here, stores going out of business permanently. Sad!

If the MPE keyboard feels right I’ll be in the other thread

Osmose will be the one that is most like a regular keyboard... it doesn’t do pitch slides though

That brings my memories of the Prophet T8. Not the same but just a side memory of the after touch in the early days...
I’ll see what I can find in Manhattan. Thanks!

Osmose isn’t available yet. I’m in on the first preorder and there won’t be ones in stores for a while after the 2 preorder runs. I haven’t received any notice yet.

Currently Linnstrument is the best option (IMO)

[Biscotto]

I was thinking about the ROLI seaboard.
That’s the one I was contemplating coming from more than 55 years of piano.

Why would you choose the Osmose over the ROLI? If you are.

[pdxindy]

I was thinking about the ROLI seaboard.
That’s the one I was contemplating coming from more than 55 years of piano.

Why would you choose the Osmose over the ROLI? If you are.

The Roli, Haken, Linnstrument and Osmose are all quite different from each other in design, feel and playing techniques. I don’t think you can go wrong with any of them. The Osmose will be closest to the feel of playing piano. It will be the fastest to sit down and play for a piano player. It’s the only one of those 4 with actual piano type keys.

I prefer the Linnstrument to the Roli, but that is for overall logistical reasons than musical ones. The Linnstrument doesn’t require a computer app. All configuration is done right on the Linnstrument. The interface to do that without a screen is brilliant.

The Linnstrument has a midi din port, so I can plug it right into the midi in port on hardware synths and play them without needing a computer. For example with my Xerxes (which supports MPE)

The other thing that appealed to me is that Roger Linn made the Linnstrument modular, user repairable and if he ever were to release a Linnstrument 2, the existing ones can be upgraded... so no planned obsolescence.

[Biscotto]

I’ll wait till I can test the Osmose then.
What else is new in this Pandemic but wait.....

NY is going down to hell.

[Biscotto]

For example, modulate a parameter and then you cannot tweak the parameter itself any more. Bitwig you can..

I forgot to answer this one but yes, you can tweak the parameter in Ableton but you need a slight workaround.

[SLiC]

Osmose isn’t available yet. I’m in on the first preorder and there won’t be ones in stores for a while after the 2 preorder runs. I haven’t received any notice yet.

Currently Linnstrument is the best option (IMO)

Bit OT but I am also in on the first pre-order- ETA now mid Fall 2020!
I wish they would be a bit more open and expansive on the development for people who have already committed- what the 'new external feature' that allows better interaction with plugins and hardware they mentioned in the very brief August newsletter!

[Ian Mackie]

For example, modulate a parameter and then you cannot tweak the parameter itself any more. Bitwig you can..

I forgot to answer this one but yes, you can tweak the parameter in Ableton but you need a slight workaround.

What is the work around?? Hopefully not toooo complicated!

[Biscotto]

For example, modulate a parameter and then you cannot tweak the parameter itself any more. Bitwig you can..

I forgot to answer this one but yes, you can tweak the parameter in Ableton but you need a slight workaround.

What is the work around?? Hopefully not toooo complicated!

Group the instrument or Effect in order to get the 8 Macro Panel and assign a Macro to the Parameter you wish to modulate and Modulate that Macro instead and then open the "Macro MAP Mode" area for the macro (MAP button on top of the 8 Macro controls area) and adjust to taste.

You can control it with great precision from there.

It is not as practical as BWS (you waste a Macro or more but, if you need to adjust in the process until you figure what it's necessary for your production, and then release the Macro...if you must)