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izonin · Post by **izonin** » Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:34 am

Also... All electric guitars sound the same. It's just 6 strings! (OK some got 7)
The only difference is the number of tone controls, and the color.

layzer · Post by **layzer** » Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:36 am

i would say MANY soft synths, namely virtual analog, have the CAPABILITY to sound very similar.
but not identical

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:39 am

hoanglongdummy wrote: Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:25 am To answer your question: Do you think that all soft synths sound the same? Yes

Well... then there isn't much to discuss, I guess.

To me, they all sound different, and, with some, there's even a vast difference, mostly in terms of bottom end, clarity, but also especially in terms of the sound of the filter, filter design, and also the envelopes.

It's not all unscientific either. If you want to try, get a frequency spectrometer like SPAN, and see how some synths cut the top end, or attenuate it like a low cut filter. Or check how some filter designs lower the volume, or some filters have a lot more resonance than others. Or how the resonance differs from filter to filer, some are rather whistling, while some have that loud peak analog filters have. Etc.

And, if you really think they all sound the same, then, all the better for you. You can just buy a richly featured synth, just use that one, and live happily ever after.

Shame for me, I always have to use different synths for different sounds, because they're all kind of one trick ponies, for the most part. Hehe.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:40 am

layzer wrote: Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:36 am i would say MANY soft synths, namely virtual analog, have the CAPABILITY to sound very similar.
but not identical

Yeah, no arguing that. As has been mentioned, just like guitars, they all have 6 strings (mostly), and a
sound box.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:44 am

izonin wrote: Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:34 am Also... All electric guitars sound the same. It's just 6 strings! (OK some got 7)
The only difference is the number of tone controls, and the color.

billy corgan can hear the difference between the different coloured guitars, when otherwise they are the same guitar

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layzer · Post by **layzer** » Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:50 am

vurt wrote: Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:44 am billy corgan can hear the difference between the different coloured guitars, when otherwise they are the same guitar .

Chikenhed71 can tell the difference between 2 minimoogs
that were next to each other on the assembly line
with the only difference being the wood grain on the front panels.

VELLTONE MUSIC · Post by **VELLTONE MUSIC** » Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:17 pm

With synths like V-Station and Sylenth1 is heresy to say they are the same like others - first you hear and feel is distinguish character and sound.
If they was the same why people still buy them...at least Sylenth1

I'm not programmer,can't say on program level which coding is same OR different,but the sound and temper of these two is definitely unique.
In another topic i was trying to discuss filters,but don't have program knowledge to express technical opinion,as designer could say for sure it's magic what some developers do with their zero-one bits.
Cheers

izonin · Post by **izonin** » Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:05 pm

Take a sawtooth wave for example. The different "colors" can be explained by the different bandlimiting algos that the various synths use.

It's a bit like taking an analog saw, and recording it with different audio interfaces. Each recording will sound slightly different, because of the anti-aliasing filters and other variables.

VELLTONE MUSIC · Post by **VELLTONE MUSIC** » Mon Sep 07, 2020 6:44 am

Man don't need tons of info about programing to hear it(if listen carefully) ,what some guys say about similarity is more about similar presets probably,it is common misconception among users.
For example you create deep,fat bass with lp filter and main focus is 100-200 hz where this bass will work,no matter what alchemy you do for users your presets will sound the same if they are in 100-200 hz area using same lp filter or different designers making such presets may be suspect in some world conspiracy

It is not the same preset,just sonic space and usage are limited.
Could write a novel about all wrong opinion and definitions users have about presets ,i had too in the beginning of my sound designer 'career',now i would say magic is in details

:):)
As i like to say - ones somebody say you sister is a whore,go explain you don't have sister

Cheers

OBSOLETE165973 · Post by **OBSOLETE165973** » Mon Sep 07, 2020 7:39 am

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Aloysius · Post by **Aloysius** » Mon Sep 07, 2020 8:06 am

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layzer · Post by **layzer** » Mon Sep 07, 2020 12:27 pm

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Aloysius · Post by **Aloysius** » Mon Sep 07, 2020 12:30 pm

layzer · Post by **layzer** » Mon Sep 07, 2020 12:31 pm

VELLTONE MUSIC wrote: Mon Sep 07, 2020 6:44 am
As i like to say - once somebody said your sister is a whore, so they explain they don't have sister
Cheers

yup, but harder to explain they dont have a mother.

Halonmusic · Post by **Halonmusic** » Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:15 pm

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So, anyone still using Novation V-Station?