when will u-he synths support MPE? i am DESPERATE for it

[Urs]

On assigning a modulator to a parameter in Diva:

Page 18 of the Diva user manual shows how to use drop downs to specify Control A/B or anything else for modulation, while this is for the oscillator, it works the same for the filter.

On setting up CC#74 (MPE) for this:

Page 46 of the Diva user manual shows how to set MIDI 1/2 aka Control A/B for the current instance
Page 48: Setting preferences for the above, for when you wish to create new instances with same settings

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

IIRC the one thing we didn't implement is "MIDI Channel 1 as master" which kind of defies the purpose for me - it's "make things un-poly", but then, maybe one day we'll add that as well and call it "full MPE".

It may even be a standard MIDI expression (i.e. not MPE) but a few of us have also asked for Release Velocity as a matrix source in U-he synths. Would be a nice add IMO.

[Urs]

We're thinking of it, but it would of course strictly be envelope release times. If we combine it into Velocity, there'll be sudden jumps. If we make it its own thing, we don't know what value to assign to it before the key is lifted.

[EvilDragon]

Of course it shouldn't be env release times only. Release velocity can be nicely used on osc pitch (i.e. one octave up to emulate harpsichord release noise, say), filter cutoff, mixer volumes, whatever really...

This is all entirely possible without glitches. It works fine in a number of other synths (even a free one like Surge). I don't understand the apprehension here?

If we make it its own thing, we don't know what value to assign to it before the key is lifted.

Release velocity modulator should produce no output during initial key press (so 0% modulation amount) and that's how it should be.

This also means if you assigned release velocity to a multiplicative target (i.e. amp volume), there would be silence until you release the key. Perfectly normal stuff.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Yeah, I wouldn't mind using Release Vel for things like Reverb/Delay Mix (if I press off fast, increase the feedback and mix). Of course, that would be a monophonic modulator so you'd have to go off the latest Release Vel I suppose. And I'm also assuming it's a unipolar modulation source only.

[EvilDragon]

Sure it's unipolar but you can easily make it bipolar with a modmapper.

[Taika-Kim]

I'm not at the computer right now, but I recall Bitwig allows only certain MPE parameters to be modulated in the piano roll (pitch, timbre, etc) . Then you should be able to use the MPE modulator to modulate any target parameter in the plugin, assuming it allows per-note automation for that parameter.

[pdxindy]

got u. so for instance i could set the filter cutoff to a midi cc? then edit that in the same way i do micropitch in bitwigs piano roll?

Pressure and Timbre are not edited on the note like Pitch in Bitwig... Those edited in the pane below. That works fine.

Set Control A or Control B to cc74 for Timbre. Pressure is obvious

The u-he synths work great for Pitch, Pressure and Timbre with MPE. (Except Zebra). But since Bitwig 3.2 and the updated selector devices one can do MPE with Zebra using multiple instances (less convenient for editing obviously).

Bazille is one of my favorite synths for MPE as the synth engine is very expressive and organic sounding and one can set up lots of nuanced modulation.

The only thing missing on the u-he synths is release velocity... I don’t miss it myself cause I find it too hard control while playing. Bitwig also has the envelope on release modulator so that is covered better by that anyway.

[elnn]

The only thing missing on the u-he synths is release velocity... I don’t miss it myself cause I find it too hard control while playing. Bitwig also has the envelope on release modulator so that is covered better by that anyway.

I guess it's difficult for tonal patches, but would be very natural for percussion. Synth shakers! But I haven't tried it, sadly.

[hariossa]

"IIRC the one thing we didn't implement is "MIDI Channel 1 as master" which kind of defies the purpose for me - it's "make things un-poly", but then, maybe one day we'll add that as well and call it "full MPE".

I hope you can do it, right now sustain pedal only works in non-MPE mode...