Bargain Center: discussion, gossip, etc.

[Fidelity]

Poll regarding presets in the NO Chat thread done.

Thank you to everyone who took it seriously and participated.

Why was the poll thread removed?

Did anyone keep the final tally? Last I saw it was around 65% in favor of splitting the threads.

Why would you repost it there instead of here after being flagged off? You aren't special...play by the rules like the rest of us.

[WatchTheGuitar]

Poll regarding presets in the NO Chat thread done.

Thank you to everyone who took it seriously and participated.

Why was the poll thread removed?

Did anyone keep the final tally? Last I saw it was around 65% in favor of splitting the threads.

Why would you repost it there instead of here after being flagged off? You aren't special...play by the rules like the rest of us.

He didn't get where he is today by playing by the rules like the rest of us

[Ceej]

Poll regarding presets in the NO Chat thread done.

Thank you to everyone who took it seriously and participated.

Why was the poll thread removed?

Did anyone keep the final tally? Last I saw it was around 65% in favor of splitting the threads.

Why would you repost it there instead of here after being flagged off? You aren't special...play by the rules like the rest of us.

I don't understand your question? I didn't post anything about the poll, and I'm not sure what you're referring to by "flagged off"...

[Hink]

Poll regarding presets in the NO Chat thread done.

Thank you to everyone who took it seriously and participated.

Why was the poll thread removed?

Did anyone keep the final tally? Last I saw it was around 65% in favor of splitting the threads.

the thread was moved to site stuff viewtopic.php?f=2&t=552310

It was locked as of last night, after reading this I unlocked it but please keep it civil.

Also of course the no chat posts are history, no chat is no chat

[Ceej]

the thread was moved to site stuff viewtopic.php?f=2&t=552310

That's not the same thread/poll as was originally made. There was a non-poll thread where people were asked to reply Yes or No. Over 60 people replied. I'm wondering what happened to that thread.

[Ceej]

Also of course the no chat posts are history, no chat is no chat

Appears that was directed at my post and the follow-ups thereto, so I apologize.

@Hink, as a site admin, would you be able to sticky the new preset packs thread? And can you suggest how we should inform preset vendors of the new thread?

[quietzone]

Poll regarding presets in the NO Chat thread done.

Thank you to everyone who took it seriously and participated.

Why was the poll thread removed?

Did anyone keep the final tally? Last I saw it was around 65% in favor of splitting the threads.

Got successfully trolled by Aloysius and X-III. I called them out on their BS and thread got derailed. Then when the poll was over, done and dusted, WatchTheGuitar showed up to try and provoke a bit more... At that point the thread got (rightfully) deleted.

I set up the poll with the intention to run it as fairly as possible, and I appreciate those who took it serious and participated - sorry to those of you, that I got triggered by the trolls.

It's just not worth my time to pursue this further. Moved on already.

Didn't keep the final tally, deleted my copy when the thread got taken down. Was somewhere around 67% Yes, 18% No.

[revvy]

Can I suggest that the chat about the separate thread goes on in a separate thread? The one Hink linked to seems ideal. Or if not there, somebody could create a poll about my suggestion and we could discuss there.

[WatchTheGuitar]

WatchTheGuitar showed up to try and provoke a bit more...

I most certainly did. Let's talk about it more. It'll take my mind off the death and destruction outside.

[Ceej]

Can I suggest that the chat about the separate thread goes on in a separate thread? The one Hink linked to seems ideal. Or if not there, somebody could create a poll about my suggestion and we could discuss there.

All the useful discussion about this happened last week (most recently, anyway - it's come up a number of times in the past as well, which is the main reason to want to sort it out once and for all). All that remains is to figure out how to Sticky the new thread, and then announce it to the vendors and those KVR members that would be interested in subscribing.

[revvy]

Can I suggest that the chat about the separate thread goes on in a separate thread? The one Hink linked to seems ideal. Or if not there, somebody could create a poll about my suggestion and we could discuss there.

All the useful discussion about this happened last week (most recently, anyway - it's come up a number of times in the past as well, which is the main reason to want to sort it out once and for all). All that remains is to figure out how to Sticky the new thread, and then announce it to the vendors and those KVR members that would be interested in subscribing.

I'm referring to the non-useful discusson, like this. And the discussion about when KVR became a referendum based direct democracy. I missed that memo.

[quietzone]

WatchTheGuitar showed up to try and provoke a bit more...

It'll take my mind off the death and destruction outside.

Waiting for it to be done to sweep in?

[WatchTheGuitar]

WatchTheGuitar showed up to try and provoke a bit more...

It'll take my mind off the death and destruction outside.

Waiting for it to be done to sweep in?

I'm thinking I could be like the bookmen in Fahrenheit 451 but instead of remembering the text of entire books could wander the wastelands looking to pass on knowledge of how to set up a Jupiter-4 to play the mellow riff from Save A Prayer. That's all that's left now that the preset vendors have gone.

[Ceej]

And the discussion about when KVR became a referendum based direct democracy. I missed that memo.

Well... the very existence of the Bargain Center thread was based on the community deciding to create it. The decision to limit it to bargains only (NO CHAT) was decided by the community of users (and that decision was plenty contentious back in the day as well, but it seems like it's widely supported now). The creation of this discussion, gossip thread was done by the community of users. So I'd say there's a pretty long history of it being exactly that.

The moderators have supported this in the past. The moderators to this day support policing the NO CHAT forum to remove non-bargain posts - a position which, again, was based on community decision. So it seems like this is the accepted mechanism for effecting change in the KVR community.

Let me ask you this: If KVR policies are not created and debated by referendum, then what mechanism would you suggest? Of course, if Ben(KvR) or any of the site admins wanted to step in and say "This is our playground, here are the rules, play by them or go home", then that's clearly their right. Thus far that has not happened, however. I'm also unaware of any alternative mechanism to approach them with requests for change. If there is one, by all means, let me know.

Failing that, then as best we can tell, the community as a whole overwhelmingly supports the creation of a separate thread for preset vendor bargains. It's a shame the poll which primarily demonstrated this got overrun by trolls and deleted, but it was showing better than 3.5-to-1 support.

So, again, I ask: If not this, then what?

[quietzone]

WatchTheGuitar showed up to try and provoke a bit more...

It'll take my mind off the death and destruction outside.

Waiting for it to be done to sweep in?

I'm thinking I could be like the bookmen in Fahrenheit 451 but instead of remembering the text of entire books could wander the wastelands looking to pass on knowledge of how to set up a Jupiter-4 to play the mellow riff from Save A Prayer. That's all that's left now that the preset vendors have gone.

Start with fizzbuzz and we'll talk about remembering the text of entire books and passing on knowledge if that gets solved

I'm thinking I could be like the bookmen in Fahrenheit 451 but instead of remembering the text of entire books could wander the wastelands looking to pass on knowledge of how to set up a Jupiter-4 to play the mellow riff from Save A Prayer. That's all that's left now that the preset vendors have gone.

The end of synthesis as we know it. You'd be a prophet More like you'd be siding with the firemen in Fahrenheit 451 eh?