KVR Audio

kmonkey · Post by **kmonkey** » Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:27 pm

Been using these without any problem in Reason and Ableton (windows).

Your mileage may be different but I like MixBox quite a lot actually (and yes I have all T-racks processor). I simply like workflow of it. Great sounds in no time, saving fantastic.

New effects are cool addons, rest is more or less same but very very different workflow and I like it.

I can perfectly understand T-racks owners my not be interested in these, but i suggest it try it only for a workflow.

Those arguig about CPU usage or delay - come on. If developers turn off oversampling then you have crowd arguing how developers are not Pro enough (just look at the PSP infinistrip plugin thread at Gearslutz), aliasing stuff and so on. If they implement oversampling then you have people arguing about delay and the way oversampling is built in. Even if company develop option for both, then people argue about something else.

KVR and Gearslutz seems to have best couch product specialist available online.

Life is too short. Test plugin, if you like it buy it. If not simply continue enjoying what you already have.

Whatever.

andi75 · Post by **andi75** » Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:02 pm

Tested it and failed for me, what a waste of time. Right, life is too short... GUI scaling is ugly and side chain is just for the compressors. No creative options here?

DarkStar · Post by **DarkStar** » Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:09 pm

Teksonik wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:19 pm Once again we see KVR is left to beta test another IK Multimedia product.

Sorry Teksonik, but what leads you to that conclusion? Sure, there are features that we would like to see (probably different ones for each user), but are there bugs?

As for latency - it looks like the the base level is 3 samples and some modules are 15 or 31 samples. I think that that is the same as in, e.g. TR5 (Oddly, ST4 does not report any latency for the same FX modules).

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 12:18 am

DarkStar wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:09 pm Sorry Teksonik, but what leads you to that conclusion?

The ability to read....

Chrispy wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 3:43 pm I've been testing this out and like it a lot. However, I've noticed something odd (but I may be doing something wrong) in that any module with a sync option (e.g. Autopan, or the Slicer) do indeed sync to the host tempo, but don't appear to sync to the transport. That is, if you stop playback, go to the start of a bar and start again, the syncing doesn't reset (so panning will be out of phase, or the slicer will be delayed even though in time). Can anyone else confirm this?
I've tried both VST2 and VST3 versions, in Reason and in Studio One.
This could be a limitation of the demo version perhaps.

pixel85 wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:25 pm Same thing in Ableton. Definitely not demo limitation.

pixel85 wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:21 pm I just found in Ableton that tweaking wet/dry and activating/deactivating modules can lead to phase issues. It feels like MixBox can't properly update info about latency and everything is becoming messy. It happened when I used SSL Comps, 1176 and SatX.

dionenoid wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:16 pm After some more demoing i uninstalled.

- The blurry interface is really annoying.
- The fx taken from T-Racks versions (like the CSR Reverbs and SaturatorX) are severely crippled in functionality. Wasn't able to recreate my own presets for these fx inside MixBox.
- No oversampling options.
- No routing or M/S options.
- Clicking for showing either presets or mix amount. They take up little space so why not show them all the time.
- Changing latency values. Leads to clicks and pops when switching modules or presets.
- Weird syncing behaviour in some of the modules.
- Daw automation doesn't follow function names.
- Too much cpu use for several modules. Bigger chains eat too much cpu.
- Most of the modules are pretty mediocre. Some are interesting but too limited, and some are just plain bad. For me personally it's too little interesting ones to spend the money.
- Is it a channelstrip, guitar-fx or multi-fx ? The choice of available modules is weird for either one.

So in short : Not for me.

andi75 wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:02 pm Tested it and failed for me, what a waste of time. Right, life is too short... GUI scaling is ugly and side chain is just for the compressors. No creative options here?

Not all Beta Testing is looking for bugs it's making sure proper functionality is preset in the plugin which IK Multimedia is famous for not doing.

I know you're loyal to them and that's fine but blind loyalty serves no one.

I may still be interested in MixBox but I'll let everyone beta test it first and wait for the inevitable group buy or sale.

SoftSynthLover99 · Post by **SoftSynthLover99** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:27 am

Hmmmm well I have used it across several mixes so far and had ZERO issues with the plug-in functioning correctly. I’m on Mac OS Catalina.

This thing is pretty great and unique among the lunchbox style plugins. I highly doubt mixbox will make your mixes worse

if it does then maybe the plugin is not the problem!

Edit: I don’t think this replaces t-racks, I believe it is meant to exist alongside it as it’s own thing. At least that’s how I’m using it. Combine mixbox workflow with t-racks 5 and you really don’t have to use any other plugins to mix.

IK has done a great job here with mixbox! I give credit when it’s due regardless of the company

revvy · Post by **revvy** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:22 am

kmonkey wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:27 pm

Those arguig about CPU usage or delay - come on. If developers turn off oversampling then you have crowd arguing how developers are not Pro enough (just look at the PSP infinistrip plugin thread at Gearslutz), aliasing stuff and so on. If they implement oversampling then you have people arguing about delay and the way oversampling is built in. Even if company develop option for both, then people argue about something else.

KVR and Gearslutz seems to have best couch product specialist available online.

Whatever.

Luckily it's balanced by having dispassionate, objective professionals such as yourself here too.

Lotuz2019 · Post by **Lotuz2019** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:59 am

IK Tech Talks Live - Complete MixBox walkthrough 9/22/20 @4PM (EST)

pixel85 · Post by **pixel85** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:23 pm

Alright, I just realized that when resizing Mixbox window, after releasing LMB, for few milliseconds GUI is sharp and then it's changing to blurry mess. The blurred picture is activated during GUI resizing (LMB pressed). Normally when LMB is released it should be deactivated and nice sharp GUI should show up. Instead, it looks like resizing checkbox is activated again which makes GUI blurred. I wouldn't be surprised if fix requires no more than updating one line of code. Sharp graphics are there already.
I hope that update will come very fast (although TR EQual has way more GUI issues for quite some time and I don't feel that fix is anywhere around).

EDIT: after capturing video and checking it frame by frame, yes some plugins look much sharper for those few ms but e.g. EQ-81 has still blurry text (a bit less blurry but still not sharp). Oh well...

future-bit · Post by **future-bit** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:58 pm

3 things that keep me from buying:

1. Fuzzy bad interface.
2. No routing inside as in the Reason Rack plugin.
3. No Gate.

SoftSynthLover99 · Post by **SoftSynthLover99** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 3:26 pm

future-bit wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:58 pm 3 things that keep me from buying:

1. Fuzzy bad interface.
2. No routing inside as in the Reason Rack plugin.
3. No Gate.

The interface and GUI is rather sharp and resizable. Are you guys using the same mixbox plugin as me? Because I see nothing fuzzy about the GUI at all.

future-bit · Post by **future-bit** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 3:36 pm

SoftSynthLover99 wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 3:26 pm
future-bit wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:58 pm 3 things that keep me from buying:

1. Fuzzy bad interface.
2. No routing inside as in the Reason Rack plugin.
3. No Gate.
The interface and GUI is rather sharp and resizable. Are you guys using the same mixbox plugin as me? Because I see nothing fuzzy about the GUI at all.

Blurred letters - as if I forgot to wear glasses. It is unbearable to look at this for a long time.

SoftSynthLover99 · Post by **SoftSynthLover99** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 3:44 pm

On my system (Mac OS Catalina) I don’t see any blurred letters. Everything is super sharp.

Could it be something in your graphics settings interfering? Haven’t used windows in ages but I remember certain graphics drivers causing all kinds of mayhem when I did.

future-bit · Post by **future-bit** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 3:49 pm

SoftSynthLover99 wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 3:44 pm On my system (Mac OS Catalina) I don’t see any blurred letters. Everything is super sharp.

Could it be something in your graphics settings interfering? Haven’t used windows in ages but I remember certain graphics drivers causing all kinds of mayhem when I did.

Alas, the graphical settings of the system do not affect this. This blur inside the plugin is not regulated in any way.

DarkStar · Post by **DarkStar** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:11 pm

@ Teksonik
Thank you for the info - I must admit that I had not read all the previous posts. Oops

dionenoid · Post by **dionenoid** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:33 pm

SoftSynthLover99 wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 3:26 pm
future-bit wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:58 pm 3 things that keep me from buying:

1. Fuzzy bad interface.
2. No routing inside as in the Reason Rack plugin.
3. No Gate.
The interface and GUI is rather sharp and resizable. Are you guys using the same mixbox plugin as me? Because I see nothing fuzzy about the GUI at all.

Here's a good example :
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/showpos ... tcount=151

The differences between Mixbox and T-Racks versions are night and day. No problems whatsoever with any other plug-ins...

(disclaimer : didn't wanna steal some guys pics so decided to link)

IKs MixBox