Softube Model 72 - Plugin + Modules for Softube Modular and Amp Room
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- KVRian
- 1227 posts since 13 May, 2015
Softube's last module release (the Vermona) still crashes Ableton Live for me even 6 months after release (been back and forth with support), so reluctant to get any more modules for Modular. Plus, they don't look that exciting.
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- KVRian
- 1189 posts since 11 Jun, 2019
They'll call it "love" and even make you pay for it I don't need to tell you what Gearsluts have to expectSecond Skin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2020 3:35 pmWhen their ships start arriving I am hoping that is not their message
- Banned
- 88 posts since 20 Sep, 2020
wich os ? i have a stable modular vst / au. with all the module (osx 10.12.6 under cubase / reaper / mulabs)
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2845 posts since 8 Jun, 2018
the discount works also for everyone, it is €79.20. so €100 less than diva.PAK wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2020 3:31 pmModular is included with the Volume bundle, but they don't offer a discount for those users on the website. Those guys who bought our 800 euro pack? Yeah, screw those guys.
Regular non-intro price is €159 - otherwise known as €100 less than a Boog. Perhaps priced more to convince about the value of any future Vol 5 bundle (if it's included) rather than the standalone product?
TBH I'm not a huge fan - I think devs like DMG offer better quality for less money in the FX dept these days, minus the vintage GUI. So not sure if I should expect more from an instrument. I guess someone must still be paying if they're holding on to the Universal Audio pricing structure. Otherwise, 20 euros less than Diva, given what it offers in comparison? Yeah..
i don't are interested in full prices, i never pay them at full.
disclaimer: this is not defend model 72 against diva. just stating the real price, now.
there is indeed a lot of drift in model 72, did i write it here or somewhere else, i call them nonlinearities, perhaps they really do component modelling. or another trick.evo2slo wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:45 pm Demoing the Model 72 now and it truly does sound great. Compared it to the usual crew (Diva, Monark, Mini V, and Legend) and I preferred Model 72 to all of them. I was able to get closest to its sound with Legend. There's a lot of drift in Model 72 and I had to turn up the osc drift in Legend, along with fine tuning adjustments to approximate it. I also had to add some preamp saturation with a separate plug - the amp saturation in Legend couldn't match it. Black Rooster VPRE-73 got me close.
there are ways to mimic transitor behavior, even power supplies, the heat that builds up, other conditions. there are even languages for it;
https://blog.wolfram.com/2020/07/23/dig ... m-modeler/
vult, a DSP developer made is own language, but here he is talking about the wolfram language.
but for instance, i made a patch, mimicing model 72, in Mini V3, i noticed how the filtered drifted, as if it were modulated. perhaps it is a simple drift. and Mini V3, in certain way, can do it also.
but model 72 seems nonlinear like hell.. which makes the sound, not at the beginning, when you play, then the sound can be almost identical.
but then you here a lot of harmonics, drifting, nonlinearities, also the filter. don't know how clean the oscillators are.
aha saturation, perhaps they use some other tricks, but softube states:
"It's component modeled down to the smallest details with from 1972 hardware in pristine condition with all the quirks and non-linearities intact, hence the name Model 72."
which the way you emulate, but perhaps they improved the process, or used another one.
this doesn't mean mini v3 becomes useless, model 72 has another character, and cán sound dull.
so, but still i notice the same.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2845 posts since 8 Jun, 2018
the new updates must fix this, it was something with user preferences. deleting them also worked...
but the new updates seem stable (i had more problems; also the immediate ableton crash on vermona; tried it now with new modular version; works, no crash! seem to work stable at last!).
so update all your softube plugins to the latest versions (2.5.3, and 2.5.4 for modular and heartbeat).
Primoridal Music: sadà\exposadà - Indusrial & Expanding Your Mind Hurts: Sound Brut
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- KVRAF
- 2398 posts since 28 Sep, 2012
I for one have always thought Modular and Heartbeat are among the best in their respective classes when it comes to sound and rather last when it comes to workflow. Still, excited to try and will probably buy. Whenever I use Modular, I make something both musical and completely unlike fixed architectures.
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- KVRist
- 279 posts since 14 Oct, 2018
To be fair, unless you are ONLY interested in the Minimoog, you cant compare Diva to a single emulation.the discount works also for everyone, it is €79.20. so €100 less than diva.
i don't are interested in full prices, i never pay them at full.
disclaimer: this is not defend model 72 against diva. just stating the real price, now.
Diva offers way more so the price difference isn't really comparable.
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2845 posts since 8 Jun, 2018
i know diva can do more, don't have it, but of course i know it. so indeed not comparable, was only saying, it is not in that price range.canadian_moose wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2020 5:21 pmTo be fair, unless you are ONLY interested in the Minimoog, you cant compare Diva to a single emulation.the discount works also for everyone, it is €79.20. so €100 less than diva.
i don't are interested in full prices, i never pay them at full.
disclaimer: this is not defend model 72 against diva. just stating the real price, now.
Diva offers way more so the price difference isn't really comparable.
Primoridal Music: sadà\exposadà - Indusrial & Expanding Your Mind Hurts: Sound Brut
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- KVRist
- 233 posts since 21 Jul, 2016
I thought I didn't need another synth, and most of the time I use more modern sounds than old-school subtractive with basic waveforms, but this sounds really really gorgeous. I would prefer if it had a poly mode, but the doubler makes it a bit more appealing to create chords with the oscillator pitches.
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- KVRian
- 1189 posts since 11 Jun, 2019
You probably don´t belong to the Target Group. Motor Cycles are also not made for young Rowdies anymore. They are designed for the ones that have once been a young Rowdie. Decades ago. They´re also probably the only ones who really concider buying a monophonic Synth in 2020
- Banned
- 3564 posts since 22 Aug, 2019
You mean they make plugins specifically for the elderly?! That's very nice and geriatricGRUMP wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:06 pm You probably don´t belong to the Target Group. Motor Cycles are also not made for young Rowdies anymore. They are designed for the ones that have once been a young Rowdie. Decades ago. They´re also probably the only ones who really concider buying a monophonic Synth in 2020
- KVRAF
- 7691 posts since 11 Jun, 2006
Arturia MinimoogV still quenches my moog thirst fine.
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