Serum & what else?

[THE INTRANCER]

Is it just me, but when a newly registered member says that they don't like Image Lines instruments before bowing out... it raises suspicion... or is it just a co-incidence ?

[glokraw]

He did say thankyou, on page 6, plenty of deadbeets don't make it that far
Perhaps his thoughts on Imageline are just a lack of frame-of-reference from the large body of competing products.

I can see where anybody's first bundle of synths might drive them to think
we're all crazy, and then moderate a bit as personal experience with
truly inferior products grows, and one gets on with learning
the great virtual instruments

Cheers

[BONES]

can you give us real arguments?

I offer nothing but. it's morons who can't separate fact from opinion and who have to make everything personal who are the problem. Do you do that when you read the paper or a magazine? No, you understand that it's someone putting their ideas out there in a generic sense. So if I'm not addressing you personally, like I am now, there is no reason for you to care one way or the other about who is saying what, beyond responding to the correct person.

No, you can't, because you simply have no idea.

Pal, I've forgotten more about this shit that you will ever know. That's just a fact.

"The synths all sound the same," says someone who doesn't understand complex synthesizers.

Right, because having been a beta-tester for DUNE since before it even had a name and having spent 10 years or so making my own synthesisers in SynthEdit never taught me a damned thing. It's very telling that you ignore the important part of that response, which was "I could play you 30 songs I've worked on in the last six months and you wouldn't be able to tell me which synth I used for even one part." We all know that is true, that it is very difficult to hear a song and know which synths were used, yet you want to suggest that it should be easy, that every synth in creation sounds so different from every other synth that we'd have no trouble telling one from another. So who is living in the real world here? Or do I honestly need to prove it? Because all five of our albums are on Spotify so go and have a listen and give us a list of the synth used for each part in each song.

someone who doesn't understand that you need wavetables for more complex waves

This is where you reveal your ignorance. Nobody "needs" wavetables to make complex sounds, unless you want to suggest there were no complex synth sounds ever made before wavetables. Because Yamaha's DX-7 might make a fool of you. Yes, you can use wavetables to create complex timbres but it's just one of several ways of achieving that particular goal (and possibly the least inspiring way, in my experience).

But an osc and a filter are enough to meet your needs.

You really don't understand, do you? You need two oscillators with cross-modulation if you are looking to create complex timbres. Single osc V/A synths are mostly a waste of time, although can be handy for simpler stuff.

do us a favor. if you have no idea, just shut up!

Couldn't have put it better myself, although I'd probably also add that you need to go away and learn your craft, you know-nothing waste of space. But that would be rude, so I'm not going to add that.

[LazyBaba]

Hello again!
After demoing a bit more, I find Ana 2 & Rapid to be most suited for my workflow...

But I still keep going back to Dune 3 since it has something appealing in its sound (although the layer system etc isn’t so handy).

Hey sorry for upsetting some peeps with commenting Imageline’s instruments. But if you would bothered to just read my comment and see it wasn’t meant to personally against anyone, just my HO about those instruments

I think I’ll can demo some other suggested ones tomorrow, let’s see.

[BONES]

Sadly, everyone takes everything personally around here. It's very annoying. I think ANA 2 is very under-rated and cheap for the sound quality if offers. I haven't had much experience with Rapid but I doubt you'd go wrong with either.

[THE INTRANCER]

Sadly, everyone takes everything personally around here.

[SamDi]

i will build my own, i started and have the timbre but i didn't find a step mode on the ableton arpeggiator, i'll look when i get more time (or maybe just write a midi sequence..)

When you have Max4Live, there is a good one - Mono Sequecer does a good job for me. I don't remember if it is in standard installation or if you need to add additionally the Creative Tools.

[recursive one]

I think ANA 2 is very under-rated and cheap for the sound quality if offers.

It isn't already, just became 98 pounds instead of 49. That's almost the Hive territory.

I finally found the way to demo it the other day (it expired on my DAW machine but I installed it on the wife's notebook) and thought I would buy it just for some of the wavetables, the wovel filters and one cool acid preset but the next day I saw they raised the price

It sounds kinda cool tho. Not really amazing but nice in it's own way.

[LazyBaba]

I think ANA 2 is very under-rated and cheap for the sound quality if offers.

It isn't already, just became 98 pounds instead of 49. That's almost the Hive territory.

I finally found the way to demo it the other day (it expired on my DAW machine but I installed it on the wife's notebook) and thought I would buy it just for some of the wavetables, the wovel filters and one cool acid preset but the next day I saw they raised the price

It sounds kinda cool tho. Not really amazing but nice in it's own way.

Seems we’re both late to the party
Maybe they increased the price so they can drop it again for Black Friday?

[Dencheg]

And may be Ana 2 is a pretty elaborate synth, worth of being in Hive territory

[drdriller]

i will build my own, i started and have the timbre but i didn't find a step mode on the ableton arpeggiator, i'll look when i get more time (or maybe just write a midi sequence..)

When you have Max4Live, there is a good one - Mono Sequecer does a good job for me. I don't remember if it is in standard installation or if you need to add additionally the Creative Tools.

Mono sequencer is a seq, in the creative package there is Arp, which is good, but why the f**k did they choose that the transpose function was a 6 events max pattern looped ??!!!

i just spent a hour to seek the internet for a 16 step arp with transpose, length and velocity... and i didn't find any free one..

[SamDi]

Mono sequencer is a seq, in the creative package there is Arp, which is good, but why the f**k did they choose that the transpose function was a 6 events max pattern looped ??!!!

i just spent a hour to seek the internet for a 16 step arp with transpose, length and velocity... and i didn't find any free one..

Sorry, don't get your point. What is a 16 step arp, you talk about, in opposite to Mono Sequencer? With Mono Sequencer you can define a pattern and then trigger and transpose this with a played Midi note. It's pretty much the same functionality as defining the note steps in Sylenth.

Or do I miss anything?

[SamDi]

Just checked it. Mono Sequencer should fulfill all your needs. But of course you need to configure it correctly and DAW clock needs to run..

[drdriller]

Just checked it. Mono Sequencer should fulfill all your needs. But of course you need to configure it correctly and DAW clock needs to run..

i really don't get how i can make it works like an arp, if you have time to loose you can show me with copying the sylenth1 arp in the ARP 303 presets. (exact same behaviors when you press any key)

anyway i'll write a midi sequence for the exercice, btw it may be better to understand the groove of this patch. (sorry i'm long, i have a full time job, 2 kids and a wife )

[clipnotic]

You use VSTi's "almost" daily? I use them 5-6 hours every day, more on weekends, and I've been doing it for more than 20 years now. Most VSTi are largely interchangeable. Some make it easier to do this or that but I could play you 30 songs I've worked on in the last six months and you wouldn't be able to tell me which synth I used for even one part. That's the nature of synths.

Okay, you want to play the "big balls game", right? I'm producing music since 24 years and I also work on my music in many genres every day. And yes, in the mix of a full track, you can't tell which synth was used on every single sound. That's the nature of a mix, even beginners are nowing that!

I read much posts from you here and it's a shame, that after over 20 years you're still posting such crap! But it's great entertainment!