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tooneba · Post by **tooneba** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:15 pm

So they won't release point next version until they fix issues? Such a bold statement if it is true. It should delays development pace significantly but as an update subscriber it would be relief.

antic604 · Post by **antic604** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:25 pm

tooneba wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:15 pm So they won't release point next version until they fix issues? Such a bold statement if it is true. It should delays development pace significantly but as an update subscriber it would be relief.

No, they'll just leave the bugs in 3.2.8 and fix them in 3.3.x.

Although obviously if they're really serious bugs - that crash the DAW or make it unusable for sizeable portion of users - then they won't release new version until previous is patched.

No software is perfect and all have bugs. Live 9.7 has them. Cubase 10 has them. Studio One 4.6 has them. Reason 10.4 has them, etc. Devs of those DAWs don't come back and fix them, they've moved to 10.1, 10.5, 5.0 and 11.3 respectively and fix problems there. There's lots of Bitwig users who are still on 1.3.16 and they're doing just fine

tooneba · Post by **tooneba** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:06 pm

antic604 wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:25 pm
tooneba wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:15 pm So they won't release point next version until they fix issues? Such a bold statement if it is true. It should delays development pace significantly but as an update subscriber it would be relief.
No, they'll just leave the bugs in 3.2.8 and fix them in 3.3.x.

Although obviously if they're really serious bugs - that crash the DAW or make it unusable for sizeable portion of users - then they won't release new version until previous is patched.

No software is perfect and all have bugs. Live 9.7 has them. Cubase 10 has them. Studio One 4.6 has them. Reason 10.4 has them, etc. Devs of those DAWs don't come back and fix them, they've moved to 10.1, 10.5, 5.0 and 11.3 respectively and fix problems there. There's lots of Bitwig users who are still on 1.3.16 and they're doing just fine

IIRC I got updates for Live 8 and Live 9 after successive version were released.

antic604 · Post by **antic604** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:15 pm

tooneba wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:06 pmIIRC I got updates for Live 8 and Live 9 after successive version were released.

From 9.7.7 release notes (which was released 4 months after 10.0 came out):

Live could crash when loading a Set, if a Max for Live device was mapped to a macro control.

Well, they'd better fix s**t like that

I'm not aware of any bugs crashing Bitwig in 3.2.8

coroknight · Post by **coroknight** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:24 pm

Why does every Bitwig thread devolve into discussing their licensing model? We should really just start linking people to an explanation and get back to discussing the update.

antic604 · Post by **antic604** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:39 pm

coroknight wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:24 pmWhy does every Bitwig thread devolve into discussing their licensing model? We should really just start linking people to an explanation and get back to discussing the update.

But most of them understand it perfectly well, but either don't like it - which is fair - or conceive some made up scenarios to get mad at it

In the end it's about maximising [ (features + fun) / money ] ratio. If one can afford it, then they shouldn't care if the DAW that maximises it for them is the most expensive, because the alternative is to use something cheap and feel miserable and/or constrained while doing so. And it's obvious that for every person those 3 elements will be different & have different weights, which adds further to making the discussion complex.

Passing Bye · Post by **Passing Bye** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:46 pm

coroknight wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:24 pm Why does every Bitwig thread devolve into discussing their licensing model?

Because it's one of the "arguments" why Bitwig suck for some people who need to feel better about themselves and their life choices, only way they can be up is when they try to bring someone else down.

tooneba · Post by **tooneba** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:54 pm

coroknight wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:24 pm Why does every Bitwig thread devolve into discussing their licensing model? We should really just start linking people to an explanation and get back to discussing the update.

Because it's annoying

Why don't explicitly say you only get 0.1 update for $140. It looks company is trying to sell things without telling buyer enough idea what is going on.

antic604 · Post by **antic604** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:59 pm

tooneba wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:54 pmIt looks company is trying to sell things without telling buyer enough idea what is going on.

And which company told you exactly which updates you're gonna get and for how long? Definitely not Ableton.

antic604 · Post by **antic604** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 2:00 pm

tooneba wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:54 pmBecause it's annoying Why don't explicitly say you only get 0.1 update for $140.

Because that never happened?

perpetual3 · Post by **perpetual3** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 2:01 pm

tooneba wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:54 pm
coroknight wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:24 pm Why does every Bitwig thread devolve into discussing their licensing model? We should really just start linking people to an explanation and get back to discussing the update.
Because it's annoying Why don't explicitly say you only get 0.1 update for $140. It looks company is trying to sell things without telling buyer enough idea what is going on.

Well, they do:

So if you are on version 3.1 when your plan expires, you will be able to download and use 3.1.1, 3.1.2, etc. Version 3.2 will be unavailable until you renew your Upgrade Plan.

https://www.bitwig.com/support/shop_lic ... an-work-5/

tooneba · Post by **tooneba** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 2:05 pm

antic604 wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:15 pm
tooneba wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:06 pmIIRC I got updates for Live 8 and Live 9 after successive version were released.
From 9.7.7 release notes (which was released 4 months after 10.0 came out):

Live could crash when loading a Set, if a Max for Live device was mapped to a macro control.
Well, they'd better fix s**t like that

I'm not aware of any bugs crashing Bitwig in 3.2.8

Yeah right? So it is different from Bitwig's update philosophy: Iron out almost all issue before next point release OR ditch expired subscribers. It is like "delaying new release not to betray user base" or "just betray user base and move on". Support subscription is basically "ignore expired subscribers" model. So I don't blame them for it though.

antic604 · Post by **antic604** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 2:18 pm

tooneba wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 2:05 pmYeah right? So it is different from Bitwig's update philosophy: Iron out almost all issue before next point release OR ditch expired subscribers. It is like "delaying new release not to betray user base" or "just betray user base and move on". Support subscription is basically "ignore expired subscribers" model. So I don't blame them for it though.

Yes, you're right. We're all stupid and gullible. And you're the only clever person here, who've seen through their cunning plot

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 2:25 pm

tooneba wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:54 pm
coroknight wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:24 pm Why does every Bitwig thread devolve into discussing their licensing model? We should really just start linking people to an explanation and get back to discussing the update.
Because it's annoying Why don't explicitly say you only get 0.1 update for $140. It looks company is trying to sell things without telling buyer enough idea what is going on.

That is a misunderstanding on your part and simply not true.

If someone buys an update plan and activates it, they will get ANY updates during the following 12 months. If V4 comes out during that time, they get it.

stamp · Post by **stamp** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 2:30 pm

Don't feed the trolls.

Bitwig Studio 3.3 announced + beta started