leeleema wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 1:15 pm Watch the Guitar is the voice of common sense and reason. KVR needs far more of this
Waves V12 is here, now with resizable GUIs
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WatchTheGuitar WatchTheGuitar https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=440193 - KVRAF
- 13256 posts since 30 Apr, 2019
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- KVRian
- 1030 posts since 26 Feb, 2018
The version from 2004 is Waves V5. There have been 7 versions in between them and now.mcbpete wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:08 am Their updates have definitely come a long way:
Here's IR1 in 2004:
And here's IR1 in 2020:
Completely unrecognisable
That means, for all the changes that you are seeing between these versions, they asked users to pay 7 times for upgrades.
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- KVRian
- 1030 posts since 26 Feb, 2018
One more specific example and I'm leaving this subject alone because we all know where we stand.
I bought CLA Mixhub on Aug 2019, that was 14 months ago.
Waves is now denying me these basic bug fixes:
I bought CLA Mixhub on Aug 2019, that was 14 months ago.
Waves is now denying me these basic bug fixes:
V12 - Fixed in CLA MixHub:
Bug occasionally causing Setup A/B not to affect the plugin inserted in the Insert slot.
Bug causing the On/Off and Expand buttons to disappear from the insert slot when the insert slot location is moved.
When used as VST3: Bug causing the Dynamics and Insert sections’ On/Off button state not to be saved with the session.
When used in Reason: Bug causing some plugins not to load in the Insert slot.
When used in Bitwig: Bug causing Bitwig interface to momentarily freezes when presets are loaded.
Long instantiation time in Premiere.
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- KVRAF
- 7016 posts since 16 Aug, 2017 from UK
Are the bugs caused by the OS and DAW increments?jochicago wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:17 pm One more specific example and I'm leaving this subject alone because we all know where we stand.
I bought CLA Mixhub on Aug 2019, that was 14 months ago.
Waves is now denying me these basic bug fixes:
V12 - Fixed in CLA MixHub:
Bug occasionally causing Setup A/B not to affect the plugin inserted in the Insert slot.
Bug causing the On/Off and Expand buttons to disappear from the insert slot when the insert slot location is moved.
When used as VST3: Bug causing the Dynamics and Insert sections’ On/Off button state not to be saved with the session.
When used in Reason: Bug causing some plugins not to load in the Insert slot.
When used in Bitwig: Bug causing Bitwig interface to momentarily freezes when presets are loaded.
Long instantiation time in Premiere.
Or existing bugs within CLA MixHub?
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- KVRer
- 9 posts since 5 Oct, 2020
So, I just updated the Waves plugins that I got during the last year to the version 12... now the project I was working up to yesterdaay on with the version 11 -in Reaper-, can´t load those plugins... 
Is there a way to make reaper recognise the new V12 where I was using the V11 of the same plugin?
(For some reason, I was working on VST3 but the Waves installer seems to not to have installed any VST3, but onlyy VST versions of the Waves V12).
Is there a way to make reaper recognise the new V12 where I was using the V11 of the same plugin?
(For some reason, I was working on VST3 but the Waves installer seems to not to have installed any VST3, but onlyy VST versions of the Waves V12).
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- KVRAF
- 8413 posts since 4 Jul, 2012 from Alesia
Honestly it looks like a simple image upscale using bilinear filtering.
If i was a company and want it to look less "blurry" id try out neural upscaling or something to keep it sharp.
I'll have to test this out..
If i was a company and want it to look less "blurry" id try out neural upscaling or something to keep it sharp.
I'll have to test this out..
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WatchTheGuitar WatchTheGuitar https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=440193
- KVRAF
- 13256 posts since 30 Apr, 2019
I imagine given a year a couple of interns could knock up vectorised versions of every UI on every Waves plugin so hats off to Waves for their blurry stretchy bitmap solution.
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- KVRer
- 13 posts since 25 Jul, 2020
Just for fun, I took a snapshot of Scheps Omni Channel at 100% size and upscaled it to 150% in Photoshop (using Preserve Details 2.0 algorithm)
Here it is side-by-side with Waves' own embarrassingly blurry 150% upscale:
Here it is side-by-side with Waves' own embarrassingly blurry 150% upscale:
Last edited by tk32 on Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:58 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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- KVRer
- 9 posts since 5 Oct, 2020
I just tried, so far no luck...imrae wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:03 pm For previous Waves upgrades I needed to clear cache and rescan plugins for REAPER sessions to correctly load the new version with previously-saved settings
Edit: It has finally worked, thanks a lot!!
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- KVRist
- 76 posts since 3 Feb, 2019
It would look a lot better scaled with this: https://topazlabs.com/gigapixel-ai/tk32 wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:47 pm Just for fun, I took a snapshot of Scheps Omni Channel at 100% size and upscaled it to 150% in Photoshop (using Preserve Details 2.0 algorithm)
Here it is side-by-side with Waves' own embarrassingly blurry 150% upscale:
Also the best part of this update is that every plugin is now VST3 and goes under the same WavesShell.
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- KVRAF
- 6300 posts since 12 Jan, 2018
So, I updated all the plugins already under WUP to V12 (because why not? It is also needed if you want to sell your plugins, so it is recommended to upgrade for free for all possible plugins). I had to do a full plugin scan with verify (as usual with Waves plugins) in FL Studio for the V12 versions to show up.
When I loaded them, I was utterly disappointed. The two highlighted features (scalable GUI and new preset browser) are simply not worth brothering.
One my 2K display, 100% size is normally fine, but I usually tend to like plugins at about 125% of their GUI. However, even at 125%, the pixelation of Waves V12 plugins is so obvious that I wouldn't really bother upgrading my non-WUP plugins right now. It looks plain bad.
Secondly, the preset browser is in the "Load" menu, which means you need to click and open it first in a separate window after which it allows you to search (and load presets faster). But I seriously don't see any use/need of this.
If GUI was the ONLY new highlight (along with any bug fixes) and they had implemented a vectorized one, I would have upgraded my Gold + RenMaxx bundle to Platinum ($85 right now) during the special bundle upgrade sales (typically 80% off).
So, my conclusion of this whole scenario is:
1. Update all your existing plugins already under WUP to V12 if you want. Try with one plugin first. I did a quick test project where I had a V11 plugin loaded with some settings. I updated it to V12 and opened the project. The plugin loaded fine and with correct settings. This is in FL Studio latest version.
2. Don't update any other plugins to V12 unless there is a real issue or you have cheap upgrade options that you can go for. I personally would wait for special bundle upgrade sales which normally offer up to 80% discount.
3. If you are on Windows 10, I think V11 will be perfectly fine for a long time. I personally haven't seen any bugs on my PC.
When I loaded them, I was utterly disappointed. The two highlighted features (scalable GUI and new preset browser) are simply not worth brothering.
One my 2K display, 100% size is normally fine, but I usually tend to like plugins at about 125% of their GUI. However, even at 125%, the pixelation of Waves V12 plugins is so obvious that I wouldn't really bother upgrading my non-WUP plugins right now. It looks plain bad.
Secondly, the preset browser is in the "Load" menu, which means you need to click and open it first in a separate window after which it allows you to search (and load presets faster). But I seriously don't see any use/need of this.
If GUI was the ONLY new highlight (along with any bug fixes) and they had implemented a vectorized one, I would have upgraded my Gold + RenMaxx bundle to Platinum ($85 right now) during the special bundle upgrade sales (typically 80% off).
So, my conclusion of this whole scenario is:
1. Update all your existing plugins already under WUP to V12 if you want. Try with one plugin first. I did a quick test project where I had a V11 plugin loaded with some settings. I updated it to V12 and opened the project. The plugin loaded fine and with correct settings. This is in FL Studio latest version.
2. Don't update any other plugins to V12 unless there is a real issue or you have cheap upgrade options that you can go for. I personally would wait for special bundle upgrade sales which normally offer up to 80% discount.
3. If you are on Windows 10, I think V11 will be perfectly fine for a long time. I personally haven't seen any bugs on my PC.
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- KVRist
- 248 posts since 14 Sep, 2004 from London Acid City
Waves are really missing the boat here at a time where customers are really unhappy with having to pay for the updates. I’m not bothered about the UI aspect personally, but it should be in Waves interest to provide good free scaling UI updates to all customers regardless.
Plugin Alliance has gone up in my expectations over the last 12 months and I’m really trying to push my need for using a few of the Waves plugins to other companies like PA/FF. There’s still a few plugins I can’t live without, but out of the 100+ plugins I have on the Waves menu in Logic, I probably only use 5 max.
What’s worse is the scrolling down the menu syndrome we all experience to find something (yes I should put them in my favourites). One of my reasons for ditching UAD a few years back (how many plugins installed??).
Dear Waves Marketing, let me provide you with some free marketing advise, you should update your slogan in 2020 to “Waves - Money for old rope”.
Plugin Alliance has gone up in my expectations over the last 12 months and I’m really trying to push my need for using a few of the Waves plugins to other companies like PA/FF. There’s still a few plugins I can’t live without, but out of the 100+ plugins I have on the Waves menu in Logic, I probably only use 5 max.
What’s worse is the scrolling down the menu syndrome we all experience to find something (yes I should put them in my favourites). One of my reasons for ditching UAD a few years back (how many plugins installed??).
Dear Waves Marketing, let me provide you with some free marketing advise, you should update your slogan in 2020 to “Waves - Money for old rope”.