Ableton Live 11

[WatchTheGuitar]

CPU usage is no different as far as I can tell and I tried loading up a few projects that were a struggle to finish due to instability.. They wouldn't even load in 11, the whole thing just crashes.

Yeah, it's a beta and maybe it's unfair loading projects from previous versions but the fact it's behaving the same or worse than 10 in these situations isn't filling me with confidence so far.

But, I sent them all those crash report files...

[docbot]

Looks like a great upgrade, all those new features bring it up to bar with the other daws and are great workflow helpers.

One of the biggest new feature, that they're barely talking about, are Scene Follow Actions! Expected this for years and finally it turns Ableton in the algorhythmic tracker that it wants to be You can now easily layout whole songs in scenes/parts and individual parts can have some randomness thanks to clip follow actions.

Linking Clips looks also great, does this sort of work like ghost clips? can you link clips and when you edit midi notes in one, the other ones have the changes as well automatically? So I could have a Clip with different "Phrases" as takes throughout the track and then choose different phrases in different sections of the track, in the copied Clip, but they're all still linked?

Bit sad there is no Bounce in Place, that's really a handy feature and I'd also like to see the easier editing of audio events like in Bitwig. Clip FX like in Reaper would be ace as well.

Still wish there where more collections and now that macros are recallable, 16 doesn't seem like enough

Does anyone know if macros now are also possible to have their origin center defined (unipolar, bipolar)?

[docbot]

the follow feature also looks interesting to clock live to an external drum machine.

[simmo75]

All looks great, but... have they improved cpu performance to match the likes of Reaper?

[WasteLand]

Too little too late. They will forever remain in Bitwig's shadow.

i have both (and early next year 11 suite and bitwig 3.3 (not beta)), they live in eachothers shadow, i love it. for shadows read dante: purgatario canto 21; tratando l'ombre come cosa salda..

[canadian_moose]

I like the look of the new features but to be honest, I was expecting (hoping?) for one more point upgrade on Live 10 before I had to part with more cash.
Even at the discounted upgrade rate its still $230 Canadian (for Suite) which is not a small amount. I'm really going to have to consider if the upgrade gives me that amount in added value.

[WasteLand]

All looks great, but... have they improved cpu performance to match the likes of Reaper?

reaper uses, like cubase, pre-"rendering", when a track isn't armed. the cpu performance of reaper is still one of the best, but margins are slim, and it has that trick, that by the way, performs better in reaper (althoug, the setting in cubase isn't set that high in my case).

i have reaper and cubase. strangely reaper can perform sometimes worse with some plugins.. but most of the times equal, and sometimes, just that "space" that you need, that it doesn't cause drop outs (soft modulars).

don't know if ableton has this.

[simmo75]

All looks great, but... have they improved cpu performance to match the likes of Reaper?

reaper uses, like cubase, pre-"rendering", when a track isn't armed. the cpu performance of reaper is still one of the best, but margins are slim, and it has that trick, that by the way, performs better in reaper (althoug, the setting in cubase isn't set that high in my case).

i have reaper and cubase. strangely reaper can perform sometimes worse with some plugins.. but most of the times equal, and sometimes, just that "space" that you need, that it doesn't cause drop outs (soft modulars).

don't know if ableton has this.

Thanks for answering, appreciate it.

Someone downvoted me for asking a cpu question... this place is getting weirder by the day!

[SLiC]

Too little too late. They will forever remain in Bitwig's shadow.

I am not so sure about that, but Bitwig still has the V4 card to play and it knows was the other sides cards are now. I use both quite happily, but if Live has comping and Bitwig still doesn't, I may start using Live more than Bitwig (currently I use Bitwig more and tend to go for Studio One if I am comping but miss racks...)

[WasteLand]

I like the look of the new features but to be honest, I was expecting (hoping?) for one more point upgrade on Live 10 before I had to part with more cash.
Even at the discounted upgrade rate its still $230 Canadian (for Suite) which is not a small amount. I'm really going to have to consider if the upgrade gives me that amount in added value.

i see in a lot of fora, when talking about the, ow this is the canadian dollar, mostly is see people complaing about the price in australian dollars..

i can't judge how much $230 candadian dollars is, or $230 USD for a USA citizen... in USD dollars in it is less it seems... or what it means for austrialians.

i mean i can't judge, it depends what is normal wage for someone, €159 for in my country, isn't that extreme. still not cheap (and for people who have less income and no savings, it is quite an amount, an amount, so all is relative to what things normally cost, or how do you say it).

off topic i know, but i see this so often, although it is now about the canadian dollar.. if do valuta exchange calculator, it is even lesser than €159....

[Neon Breath]

Those Nature Inspired instruments/effects look pretty cool and quite unique.

[SLiC]

'Windows 10 (Build 1909 and later)' only....
Some of those die hard win 7 users may have to finally update

[WasteLand]

All looks great, but... have they improved cpu performance to match the likes of Reaper?

reaper uses, like cubase, pre-"rendering", when a track isn't armed. the cpu performance of reaper is still one of the best, but margins are slim, and it has that trick, that by the way, performs better in reaper (althoug, the setting in cubase isn't set that high in my case).

i have reaper and cubase. strangely reaper can perform sometimes worse with some plugins.. but most of the times equal, and sometimes, just that "space" that you need, that it doesn't cause drop outs (soft modulars).

don't know if ableton has this.

Thanks for answering, appreciate it.

Someone downvoted me for asking a cpu question... this place is getting weirder by the day!

huh? it is KVR, but there can still be conversations that really help you and/or me. gladly...
on my system ableton can handle quite a lot, and if you see the specs, in the signature, it is an old CPU... (4 years, then came AMD with ZEN... i was too early, o well the first ZEN, had latency issues, how important they were i don't now, ZEN3 (is it now already 3) does not suffer anymore from it).

o well. only trust your own system, i see that i can sometimes outperform, desktop pc's with my old CPU... that have on paper, great performance... so many factors... it can be a setting, a conflicting motherboard/gpu, a usb port, a driver. virusscanners!

o well. don't believe the hype of people using buffers of 64..... yes with audio recording, afterwards, they all go up to 512 or more....(or all, a bit of black and white. that is why i say trust your own system, what it can do (for you)).

Those Nature Inspired instruments/effects look pretty cool and quite unique.

yes! and combined with those spectral effects. you have a lot for sounddesign.
but i see some of those Nature Inspired instruments, that have stuff, that only expensive nice synths have...

[AcrossTheSky]

'Windows 10 (Build 1909 and later)' only....
Some of those die hard win 7 users may have to finally update

will see if 8.1 should be ok..
I hope so...

[simmo75]

Have they added a button for multi output instruments in 11, where you add the amount of tracks to create from the vst?

It takes forever creating 16 tracks and assigning each track to it. This has been a major omission for years.